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CSM and the new launcher

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Masrur
Sullen Cucumbers
#61 - 2013-05-23 08:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Masrur
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.


So your colleagues didn't think about something like that? Bad news.

When I first saw the login screen, I thought that these people do have good taste. Great design, not worse and perhaps better than in the Blizzard games. The first impression is very important. How can you not understand such simple things?
Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-05-23 08:14:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy


Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.


He might be a Muppet but the man knows his Milton. I tip my hat to you, sir. A little.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#63 - 2013-05-23 08:28:31 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:

However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching


What? I switched to starting directly with the exefile BECAUSE char switching with the new launcher is a PITA.

If the new launcher supported storing and switching between multiple logins synchronously, I could see it being useful, but I'd hardly call that issues being 'smoothed out'. Plus, that functionality would pretty much defeat the purpose of the SSO mechanism.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-05-23 08:57:52 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it.

So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same?

Yes.

Sarmatiko wrote:
Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"?

No.

Sarmatiko wrote:
Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone?

Probably not, considering those things are easily replaced by tools OOG. Of course, you can voice your displeasure at the idea of removing them, but it's not the end of the world if they are removed.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-05-23 11:38:51 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone?


I guess it's a good thing CCP Navigator is the guy in charge of the community team and doesn't do anything relating to the client then!

Unless you're thinking of another dev

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Halgar Rench
The Red Headed League
#66 - 2013-05-23 11:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Halgar Rench
Malcanis wrote:
It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.

Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".



Begging to differ... It's not just a launcher, dambit. In addition to launching the game, it patches the game, displays ads, displays videos (videos? - yes videos), processes sign ons, links to several CCP services, devblogs and patchnotes.

The sad fact is that this "mere launcher" cannot launch the game until it contacts some web servers and populates itself with a load of content that is extraneous to simple, basic function of launching the game.

I hope that the CSM will thoughtfully consider the risk of CCP overloading this new front end with too many bells and whistles, and creating a potential single point of failure that could block access to the game, (as we have already have seen is a real possibility).

To guard against this possibility, I would hope that the alternative - and truly simple - method of launching the game (i.e. ExeFile.exe) remains as it is for the long term - with the sign on functionality intact.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#67 - 2013-05-23 12:08:48 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy

"Baptism by fire." ;)

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-05-23 12:22:03 UTC
Halgar Rench wrote:


To guard against this possibility, I would hope that the alternative - and truly simple - method of launching the game (i.e. ExeFile.exe) remains as it is for the long term - with the sign on functionality intact.


No argument from me on this - I'd actually forgotten that we could do this until this event occurred, and now I quite like it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2013-05-23 12:34:26 UTC
Anyura wrote:
I tip my hat to you, sir. A little.


And of their vain contest appeer'd no end...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#70 - 2013-05-23 13:19:27 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.

Don't forget to mention it to Soundwave. He's the main person (we see anyway) that is advocating the war on loading screens.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#71 - 2013-05-23 13:22:42 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.

Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".


How many times do we need to repeat history to learn from it?

Feedback and warnings ignored as "I hate change": Unified Inventory. By both CSM and CCP (A big miss for CSM7 btw)

Deleting functionality and not understanding sentimental value: Ship-spinning.

Being rude as a way of communicating to playerbase: Well many examples but I'll pick the Mittani for this one. Please don't make me hand you a wizard hat.

Actually, what you have just presented are excellent examples of classic over reaction. Smile

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#72 - 2013-05-23 13:26:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen?

People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes.

You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process.

REALLY!??!?

If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow.


You mean just the last of a 2 years long number of feature-reducing / dumbing down changes that are making EvE more and more less EvE?

You mean removing the brand off a product strongly characterized by its brand?

Yes, it's definitely minor. Roll

Yes, incredibly minor, yet still worthy of some attention.

I know you are struggling to try and link this to your own personal agenda, but it's not working very well.

Step away from the soap box. Smile

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-05-23 13:37:28 UTC
People who spaz out over everything are shocked to discover nobody takes them seriously when they spaz out anymore.

Cruel life lesson to learn on the ass-end of an obscure video game forum.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#74 - 2013-05-23 14:18:18 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
People who spaz out over everything are shocked to discover nobody takes them seriously when they spaz out anymore.

Cruel life lesson to learn on the ass-end of an obscure video game forum.



I am half tempted to go and dig up the extremely similar sounding spaz-outs that were had when the launcher was first introduced. I do recall a lot of people being furiously against it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-05-23 14:18:33 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.


Please.
Sarmatiko
#76 - 2013-05-23 14:31:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
I guess it's a good thing CCP Navigator is the guy in charge of the community team and doesn't do anything relating to the client then!
Unless you're thinking of another dev

Thanks, was my mistake.
It was CCP Explorer, not Navigator.
And posts for the reference:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2271056#post2271056
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2310840#post2310840
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2311926#post2311926
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
#77 - 2013-05-23 14:57:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
People who spaz out over everything are shocked to discover nobody takes them seriously when they spaz out anymore.

Cruel life lesson to learn on the ass-end of an obscure video game forum.



I am half tempted to go and dig up the extremely similar sounding spaz-outs that were had when the launcher was first introduced. I do recall a lot of people being furiously against it.


Let's not forget that the first release of the launcher was not exactly a smooth and transparent operation, either. You might recall major release-day problems, quick fixes by the CCP team/scrum in charge of it being pushed, and lots of angry subscribers.

The team in charge of the Launcher needs some more oversight, I think. They're now 0 for 2 when it comes to executing a smooth major release, and I feel that they're pushing bad code out the door not because they want to, but in accordance with the spirit of scrum, because they have to.
None ofthe Above
#78 - 2013-05-23 15:02:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
People who spaz out over everything are shocked to discover nobody takes them seriously when they spaz out anymore.

Cruel life lesson to learn on the ass-end of an obscure video game forum.



I am half tempted to go and dig up the extremely similar sounding spaz-outs that were had when the launcher was first introduced. I do recall a lot of people being furiously against it.



Yeah, and they sure look stupid now, right?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

None ofthe Above
#79 - 2013-05-23 15:10:48 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.

Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".


How many times do we need to repeat history to learn from it?

Feedback and warnings ignored as "I hate change": Unified Inventory. By both CSM and CCP (A big miss for CSM7 btw)

Deleting functionality and not understanding sentimental value: Ship-spinning.

Being rude as a way of communicating to playerbase: Well many examples but I'll pick the Mittani for this one. Please don't make me hand you a wizard hat.

Actually, what you have just presented are excellent examples of classic over reaction. Smile


If you say so. Honestly I don't entirely disagree, but my point is more that they represent massive miscalculations in both initial planning and handling the response.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#80 - 2013-05-23 16:17:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen?

People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes.

You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process.

REALLY!??!?

If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow.


You mean just the last of a 2 years long number of feature-reducing / dumbing down changes that are making EvE more and more less EvE?

You mean removing the brand off a product strongly characterized by its brand?

Yes, it's definitely minor. Roll

Yes, incredibly minor, yet still worthy of some attention.

I know you are struggling to try and link this to your own personal agenda, but it's not working very well.

Step away from the soap box. Smile



My "personal agenda" in this consists in having to batter my arse to load my accounts, a task that used to be easy.

The log in screen going amiss is not "my agenda", like it'd not be my agenda if I saw Ferrari suddenly stripping their brand off the plate and I told them how that's very dumb.