Warfare & Tactics

EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.

A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information.

Yes more players is always good.

But in the case of this OP, in between the usual trolling answers (we all do it in W&T) he was also given very good and honest advise.

X Gal hit it on the head.
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When I couldn't get any further in Eve - I joined FW and found good people who could help me learn.
I got blown up everytime I undocked (still do tbh) but instead of quitting I would try new things, look for solutions or ask an experienced player 'What am I doing wrong?'

The people who do that will succeed in Eve. Sitting back waiting for a spoon fed solution is not what this game is about.

I always thought the wiki was supposed to be compiled/updated by the general player base.
So it is everyone who plays eve's fault the wiki isn't up to date - including you.

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Ur exactly the kind of vet thats the problem.

1) u make intellectually dishonest statements that op wasnt interested in pvp....small hint for u....he was

2) then u call him a tosser which gives u moral wiggle room why shittig on him is fine

Let me give u a clue. New players do get **** on. Because they make all kinds of mistakes in game, on the forum in their questions, in their fits etc. Which vets find very insulting to their sensibilities. Because u know....gooogle...or its obvious...or just go out there and do it.

Let me give u a second clue. Researching info is going to find all kinds of contradictory, out of date, confusing material that a new player will have trouble sorting through. And it takes several months to catch up. I been ice mining for 2 mos which gave me the time to read several hours a day to learn whats going on with the game. And thats to learn the basics of the different choices in the game. The one resource i didnt use was eve wiki because most of the time the info was wrong out of date or just missing. And thats embarrasing. Most games have a vibrant community that does the updates. Im too new to do that and the vets dont care because its all obvious apparently

Asking questions on the forums i was told to ask in game chat, or test on sisi which requires the skills in the real game which shows how out of touch the vets are. They dont even know that a new player cant use sisi to test things. So basically a new player myself putting in tons of effort into the game was told to go away and shut up with my stupid questions or figure it out myself. And the mods locked most of my threads because in 10 years everythings been asked so everything i ask is a duplicate thread.

When u say new players are helped ur confused. That new player is a 6mo maybe but probably, 1 year, 3 year player trying something new but comes to the convo with enough information so he asks the question just right so he doesnt get **** on.

Many new players get brought into the game by a vet friend that gives them isk from the plex they got for the referral. Their spoon fed skillbooks, isk, ships, info and career paths. They might stick around

True new players that dont have rl in game friends are very unlikely to make it in this game. The stat is 1 in 20 stick around past the trial. Just maybe its something wrong with the community/game. How many more quit within a month or two from that? The game is complicated, the info is scattered missing incorrect when found and the communitiy is extrememly hostile to real newbs because u get so few of them around here u think their stupid troll tossers. So they get **** on by vets and mods

Ccp and mods to stupid to figure out how to make it more figure out how to make the game more accessible to new players. Not by dumbing down the game but by making the official wiki the best resource for info. Or make uniwiki official wiki remove the embarrasing evewiki. And get some mods that treat newbs with kitten gloves. Dont lock their topics left and right. Remove vet harrassment. Basically act like u need new players. Understand the hostility of the vets towards newbs. Mods need to take action to control vet attacks and not contribute to the problem by locking posts willy nilly. But since mods are just player vets thats not likely to happen

OP, You are not alone...

Eve doesn't have a PVP system that is like other games where you play fairly against other players.

It's just not in here and it appears that it would take an act of God to change it.

So it's really a PVE game with a little bit of gang wars thrown in for sport.

You might look around for friends to duel and that's about it, but if you want a fair fight against another players this isn't the game for it.

I'll bite, since Forum PVP is the only true PVP in this game.

NOTE... I've been missioning for the two years I've played and I have NEVER been attacked in HIGH SEC when I was flying in anything that would shoot back... thus it's a PVE/GVG game.

It's just wrong that people mis-use the term PVP, it's stands for player vs player and its core use in gaming has always been an option for playing against other players instead of playing against the environment (PVE). Battling the mind of a real person instead of the script of an AI. It really depends on your gaming goals, but I say PVP does not exist for the most part in EVE because there is no structure setup by the publisher to allow players to combat other players with any kind of formatted balance. Most Vets in this game protest such a system as it will change the current open world gang system that exists, so it will unlikely be an option for new players who do not understand the differences. The word Sandbox is thrown around in the forum a great deal and it's really getting old. You can still keep your Sandbox and have an Arena 1VS1 agent system setup for people trying to play fairly against other players.

It's been beat to death in the forums, so it's a boring topic.... yet frustrating that a game like this would be great if it had actual PVP gaming in it. Sorry friends, open gangs aren't PVP... it's "GVG"! or just random luck that you found a fair fight.

Fair fights are the only thing that is worth winning, otherwise you're just a gang bullying another player.

I wuv this myth, apparently the only people who don't log on straight after DT are the campers :P

Arranged, matched fights aren't PVP, they are e-sports. Boring. EVE is hard, merciless and unpredictable. Winning a fight in an open environment takes more player skill than fake fighting in controlled settings.

Not directly suggesting that lack of skill would be the reason for your perception of "unfair".

i think a valid point was made, most of the vets have amassed millions of isk so loosing 5 or 6 ships a day to a gate camp is not a big deal to them, however when noobs like myself loose a ship it is a big deal because we / i am not yet established with a steady stream of isk coming in to replace what i loose easily.
been attacked by vets is like all the schools bullies ganging up on the speccy kid.........................................

Personally, I can't stand gate-camps. They are just an inconvenience for me, as I usually just blow through with ze ol MWD/cloak trick.

Coincidentally, OP has biomassed.

I think my record was 3 (not to the same camps)