Test Server Feedback

Looking at the state of the feature and the calendar, it's probably best to postpone this scanner thing until some point release.

Basically if it would be just buggy you might have a tiny window to push the fixes and testing through in time, but since the issues are at design level, release with the expansion doesn't really look realistic at this point of time.

Why do i have to use the mouse?
I'll be a a happy chimp if they do it in a way so i can only use the keyboard. Touchpad sux.

I remember back when the mining ships were rebalanced, a few guys I knew that mined were super pissed about it because they had invested so much sp into their ships and now CCP was making it easier to get into barges and stuff. I'm not fully aware of the details since I don't mine, but two guys were pissed enough to unsub and quit eve.

I can see how CCP wants to make it easier for noobs to make that sweet mining cash but to him he felt like he threw away months of training for an edge. CCP took that edge away, lost those players, and in the end probably gained more new players by making mining easier to train into.

Now I'm seeing it happen with my characters, I have two perfect scanners, I need the edge to beat other scanners to wormholes during hole control maneuvers. I need deep space probes to quickly get relative sig strengths, more importantly I need to hope that I have these skills and that my opponents don't have them. This rebalancing is taking that edge away from me, not by nerfing my capabilities but by making lesser trained toons able to compete in this part of the game. When we go on siege ops in wormholes we bring scan alts, characters trained into being the best they can be because a lot rides on how fast you can resolve sigs.

Billions of ISK are won or lost based on the few seconds advantage the approximately 50 days of training gives a perfect scanning toon.

I, and many others, have invested the sp and time and cash money into getting that advantage. You call this an edge case, but to many players it is a standard part of play and it is being heavily diluted.

I'm not gonna quit, but I want CCP to know that you've pissed me off and I know I will get nothing for those months of wasted time, which if you think about it, is just extra revenue for you so I guess I'm happy for you and your companies bottom line.

I'm waiting for the offgrid boosters to be nerfed so I can feel like I lost those SP too.

To the noobs training your toons, think twice about training edge case max skills, the benefits you see in level Vs are probably gonna be lost when CCP makes that aspect of the game easier to do. Max leadership booster alt is like half a year, max scanner is like 2 months. I'll probably only max combat skills from now on.

Please rebuild the Jita monument. I wanna protest

Wormhole resident here...

Scanning is an integral part of living in wormholes, and I applaud an efforts to take the pain out of scanning while retaining the element of skill and reasonable effort.

The changes thus far are mostly good, but as others have mentioned, there are a few issues that stand out as confounding our standard operating methods when scanning in wormholes.

First: 8 probes. It's been mentioned, we should be able to choose the number we want.
Why? Some of us use two sets of probes, in different ways, at the same time, to scan. Sometimes we only want to do a quick scan with a single probe, or just want to keep an eye out for signatures.

The bigger issue:

I don't really mind launching 8 probes at once all that much, that's what I do 95% of the time.
I would like the checkboxes beside the probes back to de/select probes so that I can manipulate multiple groups of probes at once.

I highly object to having the two default probe formations be the only ones available. They are useful for some people, however, a 3rd option of launching them all in the same exact spot would make it orders of magnitude easier for us to configure the probe formations that we commonly use... not the ones you've given us. With the current available formations, probes are all over the place, and require a lot of clicking and mouse movement to reconfigure, not to mention the annoyance of having some probes at different altitudes, which makes it far harder to configure a nice 2D scanning pattern, as many of us like to use.

They already brought the anom list back. It's on the latest Sisi build.

I think I was using the cosmic sigs one but with anoms manually included. I'll have a play with other filters to see if it solves it. It's annoying because I was just getting the hang of things.

So you guys plan on putting 8 probes??? It in fact doesn't make that huge diference on probing you know? The 7 probes is a sweet way to get a good geometry, and for the feature to be balanced, 7 or 8 would have to have the same strenght. So logicaly I vote for 7, the simplier the better.

And how about the mini profession game?

I tried it, and it is pretty hard... There should be ways to customize our viruses, adding Strenght and Coerence...

Maybe a third atribute would be interesting... something like resilience... to reduce incoming damage.... or something like this...also in this the customization come in hand!

Also. Make Hostile NPCs spawn if failed to hack the site. so it locks until the npcs are killed. There should be a risk in hacking.

We should have a shortcut key option for the system scanner. Bind a key so that it runs a system scan.


Binding a key for the d-scan is also useful.

I understand what's going on here, CCP, and it makes me sad. You have a release soon and you're trying to push your new shiny feature through without any analysis. You have a lot of feedback but you address only what's simple to fix and completely ignore everything else.

The worst thing is that you're breaking what currently works fine instead of improving it.

Putting together different points there are four main issues:
1) Downgrade of interface usefulness. Looks like you're working on it.
2) Suppressing or totally removing a lot of different use cases. Totally against the sandbox.
3) While aiming for "accessibility" current changes achieve only "bluntness".
4) High-end scanning which required a lot of investment in skills and implants will be accessible to almost everyone. The system is definitely unhealthy if there are no high goals.

In case you ask for examples - carefully read highly liked posts in this thread.