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Hahaha.

Haulie Berry will answer.

I can load 20 Probes into the "Expanded Probelauncher II" and im launching 7 probes in a formation.

So i can launch and recall 2 formations. Then i have 6 probes left in the launcher. And Im not able to launch these 6 Probes.

So please set the max-value to 21 (3*7 probes) instead of 20 probes.

DSPs are easymode 256AU D-scan. I thought you don't want to have dumbed down things in eve. Sending mixed signals much?

You can have mine when I do the same.

SP from lowered rank skill.

Skill ranks are not being reduced.


For a moment going into the hypothetical that this isn't exageration, I'd keep my skills in full for the following reasons:
- Being able to scan effectively in a non scan dedicated ship without scan mods
- Being able to lock sigs at 16 AU in a scan bonused ship without mods (All in one t3 for instance)
- Being able to lock sigs at 32 AU in a bonused ship with mods

I have a few requests/suggestions:
- Can probe markers be still visible when 'grouped' (ie. when only one box to move them is visible)?
I like seeing exact position of individual probes.
They can be smaller/grayed out or something to indicate that you can't move them.
- bring back scan progress bar/ time remaining display(is removal of this is intentional? doesn't seem to make sense)
- i'd like the 'tickers' for activating/disabling probes back
- it used to be that when dragging probes if you right clicked before releasing left mouse button it'd cancel the move and keep probes where they were.
it was quite useful for me since i often accidentally started to move probes. (may seem like a minor thing and may happen less with less boxes to drag, but i'd still like to have that).


More general thoughts:
Removing DSP probes - i don't personally use them but i don't believe removing them to be warranted.
You say that the new overlay gives the same information, that is technically true, but it doesn't give said information in the same form,
probe gives you a list all in one place, overlay scatters it all around you, which is far less useful.

Launching multiple probes at once - it's nice as far as requiring less clicking, but, it removes consideration of whether to use more probes which takes longer to launch and makes you visible for longer or whether to stick to 4 probes at penalty of potentially taking longer to actually scan.
I doubt this will happen but what about varying launching time with number of probes used?
I probably won't complain if it stays as is tho.

Regarding this quote:

Removing features that are less often used does actually reduce the 'art of scanning', if there's no option for doing something differently then there isn't much 'art' to it is there?
Also even if something is only occasionally useful, it's still a skill to realize when it is.

I love such statements. No explanation, no reasoning, just eat what we give you.

Did you consider how this skill changes + new modules affect usefulness of Astrometric Rangefinding level 5 (x8 skill) and Virtue set? I can answer: No, because the latter will become totally unneeded. Now everyone will be able to scan everything with skills at 4 and without spending billions on implants.


Also you missed a lot of other points in your replies and even the reasoning for DSP removal is poor because new system overlay doesn't give even a quarter of information DSP gave. Currently it doesn't even provide a list.

So, played around a bit with these this afternoon.

1) Please allow us to select what formation is the default for our probes, specifically when launching the probes by activating the probe launcher module.

2) Putting all the probes defaulted to centered at the sun is... okay if you're just kinda derping along scanning for sigs, but severely non-optimal for combat scanning. Please consider defaulting their position to your ship's current position?

3) The new interface showing sigs in space is pretty, but ultimately feels useless and I'd prefer to turn it off for a number of reasons:

- It's not clear from the current implementation that CCP realized that scouts spend more time in the solar system map than the in-space view.

- Therefore, making effective use of this information requires you to constantly flip back between the in-space view and the solar system map, at least as many times as the number of signatures you're scanning down.

- Finally, to generate a list of signatures, you still have to either drop probes and scan at max range, or (for anomalies) use the ship scanner just as before. (And after I do this, now the solar system map view is populated, too, which is the view I'm actually using!) So I really haven't saved any time or number of UI interactions to get the same level of information.

In conclusion, a couple use cases have been made much easier, to the detriment of all the nuance that was there before.

- Scanning down sites to run is much quicker and more painless.
- Combat scanning down ~gank targets~ is now much quicker.
- Advanced combat scanning for non-gank PVP is much more difficult/painful
* Specifically, using multiple probe formations, including formations where mixes of core and combat probes are used
* Manipulating a target's perception of where you are or what you're doing by controlling the types and numbers of probes he sees on D-SCAN and their ranges
- Scanning down and organizing large numbers of signatures is significantly more annoying
* Can't cut and paste signature lists, although this may be fixed
* The information previously provided by Deep Space Probes with regard to sites is now only present in the new UI, so the cut+paste fix won't restore this information to the list fully