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Overall, STV did splendidly the first time. Very much looking forward to how it works out for CSM9, when more people get how it works and maybe more people vote.

Lowsec/FW won't repeat this years LACK of participation. That's a "new" bloc.

I also predict a carebear/high-sec bloc/party for the next CSM election that'll get 2+ seats - basically new voters (not even Mike Azariah really represents them, although he comes closest). Not that I like that too much, but its probably appropriate.

And more voters - I guess - will shuffle their blocballots a bit on personal preference (which isn't that bad for the bloc in question, as long as it's mostly its candidates in front).

There, there, I'm sure you'll do better next year.

It's OK we're just going to steal all the good stuff from the forums anyway and claim it was our idea.

I didn't say it would take very long.

What part of the changes?

I agree that this time around was a learning experience for everybody and I know some folks are already making plans for how to 'do better' next time.

Good.

That high-sec might actually get organized and form their own block, unlikely but good as well.

I am finding it funny that I keep being the dark horse who proves things didn't work as planned in the election because you cannot figure out who the hell voted for me. I lack a bloc yet I got enough to get elected.

Hard to imagine that maybe . . . . juuuuust maybe I managed to convince enough of all the blocs that I was a decent kind of guy without a political axe to grind? That maybe having such a guy on the council might be a good thing to have? Nah. That goes against all the back room plans and mathematical models that a normal guy could manage such a thing without massive backing.

Oh wait . . . you can buy into the ECCE conspiracy, I was part of a secret organization of non bloc folks that could amass all the votes . . . .from whom? The high-sec voters who reportedly didn't take part?

Bah, what does it matter?

either . . .

a) the CSM has no power so who cares, we didn't want those seats anyways
b) what difference can one guy make? our boys will just relegate him to the corner where he can be properly ignored
or
c) great! way to go, Mike. Don't tell my alliance but I voted for you, too

It's late . . . I have a lot of reading to do to catch up on what has happened in the past so I can be best informed about where we are going next. Run the numbers, make hats out of tinfoil, whatever.

I have work to do

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Once you actually look at the candidates list and break down who's who, it's pretty easy to see why you got in. The short version: there were barely any candidates at all, and less than half of them weren't bloc members.

Since this thread is "show and tell stuff", this is how I worked it out:

Unaffiliated
Ripard Teg, Mangala Solaris, Trebor Daehdoow, Ali Aras, Psychotic Monk, corebloodbrothers, riverini, Mike Azariah, Steve Ronuken, Roc Weiler, Psychobitch

HBC
Malcanis, Banlish, Sort Dragon, Sala Cameron, Awol Aurix

CFC
Kaleb Rysode, Mynnna, Kesper North, Unforgiven Storm*, Arctura, DaeHan Minhyok

N3
progodlegend, Travis Musgrat

Wormhole
Chitsa Jason, Nathan Jameson, James Arget, Ayeson, Cipreh

Russian
Greene Lee, Korvin

First, some caveats. I counted Malcanis and Unforgiven Storm as bloc candidates despite their essentially running without official bloc support. My reasoning for this is that your average voter whose ear isn't too tight to the ground either (a) wouldn't know that or (b) wouldn't believe it.

One could also argue that both Ali Aras (Provibloc) and Mangala Solaris (RvB) could be considered bloc candidates, though I kept it just to 0.0 blocs that we know would organize (or attempt to, in the HBC's case), since the "null" vs "other" ideological divide is probably the most important one.

The Russian bloc is also something I feel kind of weird about including since I don't speak Russian and thus have no idea who their community backed at all.

Either way, I'll show the numbers with both versions of these factors.

This leaves:
11 Unaffiliated voters, 13 if Malcanis and Unforgiven Storm are considered independent, 15 if Russian doesn't count
13 from the 3 major 0.0 blocs, 11 without Malc/Unforgiven
5 Wormhole
2 Russian (if you count it)

That means anyone who didn't want to vote a null bloc candidate had, AT MOST 15 people to choose from and a 14 slot ballot to fill out, and that's before you even start to factor in the obvious qualitty of candidates (think the likes of riverini, who stopped campaigning after the false positive thing in the primary, and psychobitch who was psychobitch). Account for some personal choices and the general name visibility you'd get from Podside and maybe even your blog, and it's not hard to see how you got elected at all, actually.

Well, the HBC didn't have a lot of votes on what I'm presuming is their official ticket in the first place - 1639 votes are abysmal. That said, Banlish getting shunted down below Sort and Sala is probably the only reason you even got any of them.

Still though, my list was sort of trying to capture a picture of what things were like going into the election - we know now that you really didn't get a lot of bloc support at all (and that you didn't need it either), but going into the election that was kind of up in the air. I do find it kind of funny that you were higher ranked on the CFC ticket than the HBC ticket though :v

No math or proof required for that, it's a well known fact.

As already stated you can't, but to give a more concrete example - take a look at mynnna and Kesper North.

Obviously the Goons were told in this election to vote for the two in that order, and if you look at the run-downs you can see all the run-off votes from mynnna going to Kesper using STV.

Looking at the first-place votes though, mynnna gets 5782 and Kesper gets 918. So using the STV vote to derive FPTP results means you get a result where mynnna is elected and Kesper falls short.

Whereas looking at this as a pure FPTP election, using the above numbers Goons control 6700 votes. The Goons are also really good at exit-polling their members. So after they get enough exit poll results - say 4000 - for mynnna, they tell their members to vote for Kesper - which gives Kesper 2700 votes and gets him a seat on the council too.

The Goons could've done this for CSM7 - and probably managed to get 3 seats (maybe 4?) on the council from FPTP - if their vote hadn't been part of Mittens vanity "get most votes ever" project.

Note that this is why STV is much better than FPTP for these elections. Everybody gets the same ability to transfer votes that the Goons have, without needing to setup web sites, exit poll and alter voting instructions as the election proceeds. The big danger with FPTP was that more null-sec alliances started copying the Goons and the council become almost completely null-sec dominated.