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Basicly War Kitten just wants more blobs and more Power to the big blocks....

QUit lieing and just come out and say it shesh

Yes, the POCO changes will obviously give the Russians that last bit of power they were missing and they'll finally own all of Eve.

Blobs will pour out of 0.0 and dance with joy at all the lowsec customs offices to destroy.

You are not quite right guys.

No one will be able to defend POCOs especially in lowsec.
I'm going to explain you why:

Let's say POCOs corporation owners have big fleet to defend them. All you seems to make common mistake and want to create similar sized fleet to fight them.

No no and once again no.

If they have big fleet just use stealth bombers. With 4000-5000 volley dmg ( without bombs which you cannot use in low ) a pack of thease can take POCO down quite fast and their huge awesome fleet can't do a thing to stop you.

If they have ceptors just create a few safe spots near POCO and some far away but still on grid - 200km away from POCO. That will allow you to shoot missiles in midwarp. Missiles will hit target cuz you are still on grid.
Just shoot, warp, cloak, repeat. No ceptor will catch you ever.

If they are big you must be small.

Just for your calculations. How many bombers do you need with a warp - shoot - warp tactic to deal more damage than a single carrier can rep? Than you can multiply it by the cap fleet size you are talking of. My guess? You fleet have to be much bigger than the cap fleet.

New ships are pretty, but this involves significant changes and significant hardships if implemented poorly. I hope you understand why the ships aren't all that distracting.

You try that. If you have 15 bombers, what, 70 volleys each to kill the armor and structure? That's at least 40 minutes, and it's easy to counter by a couple arty canes and a fast pointer.

But a related point. With relatively low HP and no defenses, living close to the POCO will be very important to defending it. This is good.

Your examples are invalid. They're representing things which are imbalanced in the name and need to be changed for that reason. There's nothing imbalanced about someone in an npc corp being able to do PI in low sec. Imbalances != playstyles.

As for who would build PCOs? Simple... entrepreneur types willing to put them up with open access at a fair tax rate that the high sec people won't mind paying at all for the access to the better resources. You know... the ones CCP is intending this to be built by.



Actually you're the one bitching about this. "High sec people" will continue to have PI access the same as before.
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Eh... true, I am kind of bitching about this. However, you're mistaken. All it takes is some low sec bunghole to plant these and cut off access to the planets for the high sec people to no longer have the same access they do now.

The question is... what could possibly be wrong with leaving high sec people something they can fight for, even if they chose to remain in an npc corp? How is that in any way a problem, unless you don't want the competition for the planet? Why restrict the potential for more PvP in low by taking away a reason for some people to go there in the first place? A grizzled old low sec veteran such as yourself surely has no reason to fear these noobs in NPC corps, so why not leave customs offices there to lure them to their doom?

Your reasoning is... escaping me. You talk of how low sec should be more challenging, more PvPish... yet look to have a system in place that has the opposite effect. Leave the customs offices there for the high sec people to fight for if someone erects a PCO in a way that pisses them off. How could this possibly be a bad thing? That's the explanation I'm waiting for.

Gee, I don't know... maybe a lack of alts for one? These are the same people likely to have vested themselves in one character only.

You have 3 slots on an account, make new char, train: Corp Management I, Anchoring I, Amarr Frig III, Amarr Industrial I, Hull Upgrades I. That's 9 hours with no implants. You can't put the bar any lower.


Devs have said before, adding new roles is not an option (See Tuxford's post). The devblog mentions roles for upgrading and configuring, not anchoring. If they are the same as for upgrading (config equipment), it should be fine. You can configure them remotely.


It's not just price, it's price vs profitabilty, They need to pay for themselves much faster than that.


Excellent point. This can be avoided somewhat with wardecs, but it's still a problem. To be fair, the entire sec status concept is a terrible mechanic that only keeps people away from lowsec, but that's a matter for another expansion entirely.

Well, you saw my point at least. Yes, there *is* something imbalanced about reaping the increased rewards of lowsec PI with no more risk than using hisec PI.




Entrepreneurs who are bad at math, right? The risk of losing a POCO before it even remotely pays for itself through taxes and convenience of just using the concord office far outweighs the miniscule long term benefits of actually putting up one's own office.

...and CCP is intending every single one in lowsec to be player built, not just the ones built buy your economically-challenged entrepreneurs.



You said "high sec people". You can't place a POCO in highsec to cut anything off. If you're talking about the "big bad NPC corp" people who bravely cloak their way into lowesec for the better PI and then run back out, too bad. That's the imbalanced part that you're missing. Higher reward in lowsec, but 0 extra risk.



This is where your lack of experience in lowsec or having even tried hunting anyone shows plain as day. People flying into lowsec for PI access do *not* present more potential for pvp. You can imagine they do all you want. If it gives someone a rush sneaking into lowsec to gather their PI, that's cool. But there's nothing difficult or risky about it unless you're an incompetent pilot.

There is zero chance to catch a cov-ops cloaking ship at a gate.

There is almost zero chance to catch a ship at a customs office unless you're already there camping it or the PI guy is remarkably inept at the whole drag-and-drop concept.

If you are there camping it, you might see one pilot every week or so. And then it would only be the idiot who didn't scan ahead to see if anyone was camping the office. It's not like people are visiting customs offices every few hours.




You're waiting for an explanation of why I don't care about the specific situation where an imaginary organized group of NPC corp citizens will care enough and have the balls enough to go shoot down a POCO in lowsec in order to free up the NPC CO for their use again?

1) Such an imaginary group will be rare.
2) The time involved in shooting the POCO will get them killed if they're not already familiar with flying in lowsec.
3) If they are already familiar enough, they're not likely to be in the imaginary group to start with.
4) If they do manage to bring it down, whomever put it up in the first place will do so again**, and likely wait for the noob corpies to try again.

Imagining that highsec dwelling NPC corp folks will organize to fight for a cause of destroying a lowsec POCO, but would not organize to build their own, is unrealistic. Take your examples to the next logical step for both sides involved and you'll see the flaws.

** This is assuming that someone would build a POCO in lowsec entirely to restrict access or draw the fights, and not for economic benefit. There is NO economic benefit to building a lowsec POCO with your proposed idea.