Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As others have said Hyperion 7/5/7. Change to RoF bonus for guns.

I've always felt the 3 gallente BSes were a bit too similar so changing up the mega and domi could bring some interesting options to the table.

I have a proposal for the Hyperion:

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Large Hybrid Turret damage (+5%)
+7.5% Armor Repair amount

Slot layout: 6H (-2), 5M, 8L(+2); 6 turrets (-2), 0 launchers(-1)
Fittings: 13250 PWG (-2500), 550 (-50) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7500 / 8000 / 8500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 7200 / 1250s / 4.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 115 / .1178 / 100200000 / 16.36s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 / 125 (+25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 23 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 485

This changes the hyperion from 10 effective turrets to 10.5 (following what was done on the harbinger also taking some from the fittings). It leaves the slightly weaker armor rep bonus in place, but it's only useful in specific situations. Damage never seemed to me to be an issue with this ship, just keeping it alive.

Cap hungry active armor reps at BS level take too many slots to be effective. Frees up mid slots for cap boosters, adds valuable midslot to lows. +1

The Hyperion like a Megathron can work with 1 capacitor booster. The main reason why players prefer 2 capacitor boosters is because there's less module management invovled. LIKE MOST IN THIS GAME THEY WANT THINGS EASY...

The strange thing is before the introduction of auxiliary shield booster. The Maelstrom and more so the Rokh had to deal with having 1 capacitor booster. The Hyperions advantage over those ships was sustained defense and stasis webifier.

As far as I am aware. Based on my own principles and how I place certain ships in there roles.

The tier 3 BATTLESHIPS were damage mitigation platforms. Able to soak copious amount of damage and disable a target so other pilots within the Hyperion, Rokh, Maelstrom and abaddons fleet can provide damage.

I have used (with other characters) the Maelstrom (against 6 battleships) for that purpose and not even fit a warp scrambler while a friend in a Abaddon (faction point ganglinks) provided damage at 40,000m.


Off topic. What are you going to do about the overlap with the Dominix and Armageddon and the Prophecy (armor-Drake) and Myrmidon?

- killz

Firstly i am probably overly pleased with the dominix change as it only serves to enhance it in the way i have used it for the past 3 years without any sacrifice at all.

Secondly I do not like the megathron or hyperion changes, heres why:

As neither the megathron or the hyperion are severely utilized for anything i suggest rather than trading a mid slot for a low slot that they be given an additional slot as a straight buff. Since armor ships have to share damage mods with tank in the low slots having either of these below 7 lot slots for an armor tank puts either at a major disadvantage to the role.

The proposed change inverts the mid / low slot layout on the hyperion and megathron and really does neither any justice and just trades out tankability of each ship to be opposite of what it is now.

Hyperion - Self Rep bonus for blob warfare is Useless, lack of tracking bonus gimps it this regard. Targeting range is severely short making them pidgeon holed to blasters or sacrificing fitting for sensor boosters.

Megathron - Bonuses for ROF and tracking are good for blob warfare. Rail fit it is meh and blaster fit it is still too slow / too short range for 0.0 blob damage application. Has utility High for neut, The proposed changes will give it the same Mid / Low as a the tempest which is historically used as a shield brawler / ganker with the armor fit being extremely gimped.

Personally I've always wanted to see a Gallente battleship with a falloff bonus. I Was hopeful it would happen with this, I am sad that it isn't in the current proposal and hopeful that it is or could be under consideration.

Back to rambling about low slots and tanking - Like it or not Gallente has always been competing with Amarr for armor tanks, and they have ALWAYS been loosing(rightly so, but still needs to be able to compete, not just be completely outclassed).

Final Thoughts
What i want to see - A Gallente hybrid boat that can armor fit and brawl in large scale 0.0 warfare. From what I've rambled on above you can see my argument as to how the proposed changes do not make this possible.

While I originally proposed a ROF bonus instead of a dmage bonus, I think that a 7 gun rof bonus WITH the addition of a low slot for a mag stab would be a little bit too strong of a buff. After doing a bit of number crunching 7/5/7 with a dmg bonus and retaining a 100m3 drone bay would be an extremely ideal change to the Hyperion.

The loss of a turret would free up some grid allowing for a 7 Ion setup with 2 heavy cap injectors, 6 Slot dual rep tank, and a single mag stab. Or a 5 slot dual rep tank (with either 1 eanm, and an explosive hardener, or 2x eanm with an explosive hole) and 2 mag stabs...

IF the Hyperion is to be changed to a 7 gun ship as It should, it's MANDATORY that the graphical placement of the guns be changed to positions that allow for some form of symmetry. While this may not be extremely important to those of us who spend our time crunching numbers and pewing with maximum efficiency, there is a large "OCDish" portion of the community that takes pride in the visual representation of their ships.

That's because Hyper fits active tank, and Throne fits passive. That was an easy question, right?


Everyone is afraid to say that, but I will.
Sentry drones are overpowered. 150 km with 1 omnilink, seriously?
If you absolutely need to remove hybrid bonus, go for drone MWD or at least control range bonus.

There's a lot of things that you can confirm with game analytics, but looking at the top line numbers just isn't the way to do it. Try breaking this top line number down by sec status or by region. Did this originate from offline POS bashing or from attacking station camping archons? Are those situations actually representative of how the game is played in Eve Online and the target use case you have for Hyperions?

On the face of it, I'm having a ton of trouble beliving this from a general PVP perspective.



Active tanking and blasters are both most effective in small gang combat. The kind of combat where you can't rely on having a hundred guys to score your tackle for you.

-Liang

Last 5 days is fairly insignificant when you look at the overall stats over the years: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

This is a current snap shot of pvp use, when you go back for the stats every month for the last year, it all has one thing in common. Gallente is dead last.

Speaking specifically for the Megathron, it's gone through a lot of nerfs from general eve balancing. One of those changes being the speed nerf years ago. Given the mass of the Megathron and the reduced speed and agility potential it simply can't be that once loved in your face blaster boat. Unless you get that perfect warp in on top of your enemy fleet and they somehow forget their ships are not stationary. They will be out of your range and kiting you safely. Mix that speed nerf with web's being reduced from 90% to 60% and it only made a bad situation worse. So when getting into range was already a problem, keeping them in range became another problem. That web speed reduction also affected the ability to put out that desired high dps.

Many of these random changes weren't meant to directly affect the Megathron, but they all had negative impacts on the ability of the ship. Individually all those little changes really compounded into a a huge problem.

There are in fact Dominix fleet doctrines STILL and they are STILL VERY effective. Not so much in null where engagements are more nimble (ping spots, warp too, tactical bubbles). While in low security space battleship engagements are alot more static and much more focused on logistics, EHP, Neutraliation, damage and reisistence. Tactial movement is limited and in that enviroment these blaster Dominix fleets with sentries work well and are near Abaddons. OFC they have thier weaknesses.


- killz