Player Features and Ideas Discussion

He obviously needs *someone* to explain how to look at those statistics. I don't care if it's me or not (preferably not, TBQFH) - but *someone* has to explain it to him. The fact he keeps falling back on top line metrics is horribly frightening. :(

-Liang

Ed: Unless you're happy with him thinking the Hype is just fine and dandy because it's the primary go-to for offline structure bashing in high sec.

Yes, what a lovely number it makes in the "Show info" window.

Of course, to actually HIT anything out at that range, you'd need several Drone Link Augmentors (4, I think), and since the Dominix has a base targeting range of 70km, you'll need to fit 2 Sensor Boosters with targeting range scripts, or a few signal amplifiers.

So, wow, after using 4 high slots and 3 mid slots (or 1 mid and 3-4 lows), you can finally target and hit something at 150km. Oh and then you'll be doing kinetic damage, in fairly low amounts.

Whoop de frickin doo.

love the domi changed. I put off training T2 heavy and sentry drones for 2 years because there was no focused drone boat. This change might make me train those skills.

CCP Rise, perhaps you could give a little attention to the Amarr BS thread? Your all over the other 3 threads, in particular this Gallente one, and I'd dearly love to see some response from you to what has been hashed over on that thread.

Hyperion cannot realise it's potential currently with the poor powergrid it has. Unless you increase that to allow the option of higher tier guns witht the dual tank then it remains very poor.


Whilst I like the idea of 5 mids / 6 lows for the megathron I'm not sure if it'll work. Losing that low for a ship that typically armour buffer tanks could be a deal breaker. I'll have to fly this one before I could really say.

The dominix looks awesome.

One big question, not just limited to the Gallente BS - Why are you still maintaining a distinction for the sensor strengths of these ships? That should be one of the first things out the door with tiericide imo. Bump them all up to the current tier 3 level and bring more distinction between BS and BC.

I'm gonna Bump your Vindi off station Tsia =D

A few quick words.

The Hyperion will still remain useless and unused as it was before.
You want to make the active armor tanking viable, but that is still a future project and with a long road ahead of it.
You also go ahead and remove a midslot making even harder the ability to fit a MJD for the damn Hyperion (fitted with Blasters that have the smallest active range of all turrets in game).

How it's supposed to reach the target?
How it's supposed to stay alive with all those cap hungry mods active?

Please think it over again.

Megathron.

I am not quite biased against the ROF bonus. But I would like to ask you how it's possible for the Mega to stay alive while it's trying to reach the target with a tank worse than before.
How is the Mega going to sustain the modules being active while the blasters are eating away the capacitor?
It would be better to lose 1 high slot (that of the one launcher) than a low slot or a mid.

And to add salt to the injury (from removing one low power slot) you further decrease the armor. What is the meaning of this?
You think that will improve it's survivability chances? You believe that somehow this might help the Mega being more used?

Please do reconsider.

As for the Domi.

I am a drone user. I like them and I use them alot. So I am not disappointed by the change to a dedicated drone boat that much.
But I am grossly appalled by the rest of the changes. Bigger signature to a ship that will be forced to stay still to deploy sentries?

How about you give the domi a new paint job with a giant bulls eye as the main piece.

Only five mid slots to a ship that his only weapon (hey Armageddon gets at least a neut/nos bonus too) are drones and the most useful modules are occupying medium power slots?


All in all the Gallente ships get once more the worst part of everything you might give to the ships.
It feels like you want to see Gallente ships of the map.

So far these changes are not well thought and in some cases (like the Hyperion and Dominix) utterly useless and demeaning.

If you don't want us to use Gallente ships (and most specifically Battleships) please say so and be done with it.

So for some more aspects to these changes that have me wondering and seems like there are many contradictions in the whole Gal BS line up. So:

1) Attack BS = faster, combat BS= slower and tanky right? So the Mega is the attack BS, so faster, but only if shield tanked right? Because if you armor buffer it then its now slower than the active tanked Hyperion which if properly rigged will outrun it (due to rig changes.) And that is if you use the Hyperion as its designed. And of course, you must because shield tanking a Hyperion is now out and why buffer tank it and not use a bonus? Which, ok, got it, so which is attack again? Maybe the Hyperion should be attack and able to shield tank or active armor rep? Leave the Mega as is maybe? There is something here that just doesn't jibe. Maybe I'm dense. I mean CCP says they envision the Hyperion as a brawler in small gang work.... sounds like attack to me.

2) Then there is this whole ROF thing on the Mega. I was trying to work this in eft but not sure if I have this right. In fact, I may have this wrong (not a math god here.) So by going to ROF vice damage increase BUT when you turn on overheat that increases damage and not ROF. Because that %heat increase is applied to a much smaller number now doesn't that mean a corresponding lower rate of overall DPS than before? If so this sounds like a nerf to heated DPS. Its also uses more ammo and more cap. So while I'm seeing the benefit of shooting more often and how that can be a benefit, how well does it pair with heat bonus?

3) Tristan, Vexor and Domi seem really out of line now. Its seems like the pure drone boat deal was more of a specialized trait like in the proposed Navy Vexor. The BC also were always something special, particularly as two of the BC's have that horrible armor rep thing going. I don't know. If you could overheat drones, maybe the loss of the guns bonus would seem worthwhile, but it just seems kind of meh compared to the Geddon. Overall it just seems to lack the coherency of the other racial lines.

Seriously CCP. Stop trying to make Gallente into minmatar , ammar into gallente and minmatar into ammar!

The races have CONCEPTUAL FLAVOR. Stop trying to turn everything upside down!


Minmatar are supposed to be faster and less HP, Amarr damage projection with a lot of HP and slo, Gallente are the drone guys


Why putting everything upside down while still keeping the battleships as NOT GOOD ENOUGH as overall class ?



I liked everythgin you guys made up unitl now for this expansion, but the battleship changes are HORRIBLE!! Stop MIXING RACES DAMMIT!