Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another "Lets gimp the Amarr even further and call it Improvements" thread.

Seriously CCP Rise, what are you honestly thinking of when it comes to these changes? This is quite possibly only the second time of my playing EVE (just over 7 years) that I've actually been physically angry at the amount of missing of the point that you have done (the point being your desk, and your missing it being beyond the periphery of the Milky Way).

Let me start with the quite frankly insane ship first: The "I'm an Armageddon! No wait, I'm a Mini-Bhaal! No wait, I'm a FUPORS*" *ask me in game what this means


Starting off:

The Armageddon is designed to sail deep into the enemy lines and pummel the sweet bejebus out of anything that exists in EVE with its lasers bringing death and destruction to the enemy. The Drone bay is there for a supporting role, not as the main armament - the Gallente are the race you go for to insult everyone's son and mother with drone hordes. I accept that this is somewhat confusing but I'll let it pass. A launcher mainstay is more in keeping with the Khanid Kingdom, and when I last looked the ship wasn't painted in the colours of the Kingdom.

Removal of the Laser Cap bonus is a massive kick in the teeth - Amarrian ships already suffer from some of the worst capacitor ratings in the game, and have the worst drain: No other race can cap themselves faster than an Amarrian vessel trying to repair, fire its guns and maintain a decent speed. The cap bonus to laser's gave us a decent chance at staying in the fight long enough to actually kill the enemy before our capacitor was fully gone; without it, our capacitors are effectively HALVED in value.

I will not deny that the Amarr are one of the slowest races to alter their ships designs, but practically cloning a PIRATE vessel's designs and then fobbing it off as their own is downright insulting to the lore of the game. Think about it, why would the Amarrian Empire want to be associated with poisonous Blood Raider technology/ideals? And then sticking said technology on to their most common battleships is again, insulting.

Having the Armageddon regarded as a Combat battleship is also wrong - It is in every way an ATTACK battleship. Its stats should reflect that:

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Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use
5% Large Energy Turret rate of fire per level.
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M(+1), 7L(-1); 7 turrets
Fittings: 16500 PWG, 550 CPU(+65)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 5800(+331) / 7500(+859) / 6500(+389)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 6200(+887.5) / 1087s / 5.7
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 105 / .13(+.002) / 105200000 / 18.96s (+.29)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 21 Radar Sensor Strength (+4)
Signature radius: 450 (+80)

The Amarr Empire realised that after constant observation of the Armageddon Class battleships, a few revisions were required to bring it up to code with the newer elements brought from the other empires. They did not change much, but what changes they made have created a more credible ship of the line, albeit at the cost of a larger hull and weaker locking range

In that, all I've changed is - it has gained a little bit of a tank (not massively so, but enough to make a bit of difference), it can keep the energy/rof bonus, gains a little bit in CPU, looses the utility slot and keeps the large enough drone bay. It keeps its current role, fits in the with the ideals of the background of EVE, and most importantly - Doesn't demolish another ship to get sorted.

The Apocalypse is the other ship that has been hit FAR, FAR too heavily with these proposed changes. I admit that it's navy version is currently one of the most powerful ships in the game which I hope it stays as, but its junior version is somewhat out of sorts. The proposed changes will further lessen the usage of that ship, to probably much wonderment by the Design Team. This ship is screaming Combat Battleship; designed as it was to pummel the enemy from long range and within a specialised team with Armageddon's/battle-cruisers/cruisers as Close Support ships and vaporise the larger ships before pulling back or being overwhelmed.

The additional 7.5% bonus to tracking is frankly pointless. Yes, I know it means I can shoot the wings off a Probe at 15km's away, but if they are that close, then its game over anyway - No amount of help will save you.

And didn't you mention that in a Devblog (http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-to-the-balancing-future/) that the Apocalypse was perfectly fine anyway, and labelled as a Combat Battleship? The same was said about the Armageddon as well. Clearly that this was forgotten over the months.

I would start pointing out the rest of the flaws of the Apocalypse, but everything is pretty much turning into a red mist and I feel I could descend further into apoplectic rage. I will continue this tomorrow, and point out what can be done properly.

Point out my flaws by all means. Just make sure they are constructive.

Out of date flavor text aside, Amarr have ALWAYS heavily favored drones. Now if you choose to ignore this fact you'd still be left with the point that 2 missile and 2 drone races are a sound concept and emphasizing this is not a bad thing.

Diversity in your BS lines is a GOOD thing. It makes it more difficult to counter effectively.

Actually, yes it does. Ignoring the rich role-play background that this game has generated over the last 10 years merely to make ships "uniform in design and function" whilst having effectively different skins is NOT the game I want to pay CCP for. I like ships having unique abilities, or at the very most, somewhat similar stats. Classifying ships as either Attack/Combat/3rd option is fine - it gives players a little bit of extra help.

Going by the racial background history will show this.

Stop posting please as it's apparent that you have no understanding of how the geddon is going to become op.

The faster ships you're talking about are the curse which have FAR LESS nueting power and FAR FAR FAR less EHP, combined with FAR less independent cap stability. Oh yeah, the Geddon will also be much cheaper...

******* christ, some people are going full ******.

I wouldn't say heavily favored, as originally, they only had 2 hulls that had bonuses for drones.

What is apparent is that you've never flown a Curse.

If a pilot goes for a full rack of neuts on the geddon, yes, he will be very dangerous within 37km as far as his neuting power is concerned. That will leave him with his drones for damage only, which are destructible. A geddon with have longer neut range than a Bhaal, but far less neuting capability.

Small gangs have been dealing with Bhaals and Curses for a long time. The stupid ones die, the smart ones get some very nice kill mails. Point being, neither one has killed off small gangs.

Ok, so other then being a couple of monkeys and flinging **** at each other, none of you are providing facts to back up your arguments, simply spouting off about why your own opinion of it is the right one. Why not shelve it, wait for the changed ships to be put on Sisi, and actually test it out, rather then making assumptions?