Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lets try again, I have local set up so I can see people come in system, how is that different to clicking on the map and have it pre-set to Pirate and Police Ships destroyed in the last 24 hours, then I have number of pilots currently docked and active, average pilots in space in the last 30 minutes, and look at that active cyno fields, burn straight there for a sure kill. From that I can see what systems have active people in for the hunt, now if I go to Dotlan which I have open all the time, I can see just how active that system is around now

So there is no way I can hide my activity, because the same systems that give local give this data, if people want space to be big and unknown again then do it properly, not just make is really easy to catch someone who is solo ratting, at that point I have to have multiple accounts to have scouts on gates, because I know that people will find out that there is someone ratting in a system with a few clicks. Come on get your head out of your rear end and ask yourself do you really want it served up fresh and steaming on a plate or do you want to go out and earn that kill, I repeat, I play this game because its supposed to be hard, so if you remove local, the other stuff should go in 0.0. This is why so many people fall down in game design, they refuse to look at game balance due to their own play style.

That Cyno one is active cyno's which directly contradicts what you said earlier, there is no delay, I have died due to that intel a couple of times. One very old player who has since left the game, told me that too many people just want quick fix kills, no hunting required, so if that is your cup of tea, head over to DUST! And I can tell you now, if local is removed and these other intel items are not then I for one will give up on Eve, dumbed down for the PS generation...

Well it depends how many blues the gank bear has, but fair point in terms of NPC 0.0 and Sov 0.0 close to entry points and in naff systems, less relevent the deeper you go in and the better the system is. But still that gank bear can just home in with little real work.

No, the trival effort is finding activity using the Eve client tools and Dotlan.

Sneaking up them is very easy if you have a recon or anything cloaky and a BLOPS fleet or Titan bridge, less so in terms of a small fleet without such abilities. I can tell you now that people like me who like the thrill of operating in dangerous areas would just look at the level of risk and say nope and the only time you will see me in null is when I am looking for something to kill and all I am likely to find is another gang
or T3's working scanned sites.

Dotlan is still set up by players, thus~This calls upon some kind of player effort, without local, you jump into a system and on map, you know someone been around there in the last 30 minutes. You must think to yourself. "Do I want to say something in my Intel alliance channel and possible start a panic?" For all you know it could of been a blue person going right through and not even remembering it. You can look for the number of pods killed sure, but how do you know that it not a friendly alliance fighting off some small gang?

You say this work is trival, but without local, intel channels will suddenly have it much harder as~Someone can't poke their head in real fast and call out. "They are all blues, we are fine." You must actually find them so you can find out who they are, and what they are doing here.

Trivial? Ever been in null sec? Ever been part of null sec alliance intel chats? If you understand the workings of those chats, you will understand that 90% of them call out hostiles based on LOCAL.

Dotlan is actually using the API linking to the data I refer to, I used to be in the same alliance as the person who runs Dotlan!

I have spent the majority of my game time in Null Sec and know intel very well, and yes they use local, though there was of course some hard nosed buggers like me sitting on key gates getting details on what they were flying, which is what intel would develop into. So without local you have to create a dedicated network of people watching key gates, big alliances can possibly do that, but what about the smaller entities, or individuals with a couple of accounts?

Without the removal of the tools detailed it would group people up in 0.0, which may be a good thing, but still the only lone operators will be those in T3's doing scanned out sites.

And of course in this discussion I have only briefly touched on the biggest issue about removing local , force projection using cyno's..., in other words you have no chance and take that from someone who carrier ratted with a cyno toon in local because I knew he did not have enough to take my carrier!

I am a miner.

Because I am hunted by those who use local to easily spot me in system, I need to use it to counter their use of it.
This is basically dumbing it down, since any effort I might be willing to make can never compare with the ease and flawless nature of local.

I want to compete, and have the guy in the next system die horribly because he did not go to the same effort I did. The hunters pass me by simply because he is easier to find, and I am not worth the effort by comparison.
That is competition in PvE.

um you fail at multitasking and think watching local is hard and not trivial

Still think you fail at reading and comprehension, it was a comparison between the two tasks and highlighting the effect of multi-tasking, but if you want to take it that way be my guest!

This 100 times this.

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