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AFK Cloaking Collection Thread

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#61 - 2013-03-29 14:55:45 UTC
Who do we have to bribe to get this stickied?

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#62 - 2013-03-29 15:26:02 UTC
bribe/blow

i'm easy

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2013-03-29 19:58:07 UTC
Bump....

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#64 - 2013-03-29 20:10:38 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
bribe/blow

i'm easy
Damn it man, I had a mouth full of beer. LolLol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-03-30 16:37:41 UTC
Bump....

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-03-31 01:18:19 UTC
Bump.....

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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#67 - 2013-03-31 02:15:54 UTC
I believe the irritation and dangers presented to a cloaky in nullsec gravely out weighs the irritation of other players of their presence... Take down the warp bubbles and the drones you leave everywhere (namely region gates) and you might see the afkers leave...

Otherwise expect the afk cloakies are there to keep tabs on the system and operations... I see nothing wrong with steak outs going afk and having players pop on and off the check things
Takoona
Orange Phoenix
P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S
#68 - 2013-03-31 11:07:02 UTC
Cloaking is good as it is :))

EvE is Risk vs ISK !!!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2013-04-01 05:54:35 UTC
Bimpity bump bump...

Gotta keep the anti-AFK cloaking threads away....

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2013-04-01 17:06:57 UTC
Bump

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DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-04-01 22:17:58 UTC
pointing out my sig quote so this isn't a shameless bump =)

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”

DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-04-02 07:59:08 UTC
And someone just created a NEW afk cloaker thread lol

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#73 - 2013-04-02 09:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
2 new null bear thread today, update please.

This one
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=221581&find=unread

says his problem is not having some hostile is in the system (noooo of course is not) but to know what he's doing in his real life (if he is at his desktop or gone to eat a sandwitch or to pee).


this other seems mor original:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=221542&find=unread

he ask for an email or some notification sent on his cell phone when somone cloack and de-cloack
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-04-02 15:10:02 UTC
Got 'em thanks.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#75 - 2013-04-02 17:11:02 UTC
I like the idea of this thread, nicely done.

I would like to add a few things in terms of the remove local crowd, there is one part of me that seriously agrees with you, in that it would make space big and unknown again, but you have to remove all the other data that gets shown in Eve for a 0.0 system, such as kills, cyno's, NPC kills, jumps, etc.

So when people talk about the perfect intel tool called local, what about the other perfect intel tools that enable you to find activity?

When you mindlessly bleat remove local to an AFK cloaky whine thread, please think it through to the end point, because if you just remove local and leave all those nice shiny reports on activity you have just make it really easy for the easy fix brigade to get kills and Eve is not supposed to be an easy game is it?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#76 - 2013-04-02 17:26:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I like the idea of this thread, nicely done.

I would like to add a few things in terms of the remove local crowd, there is one part of me that seriously agrees with you, in that it would make space big and unknown again, but you have to remove all the other data that gets shown in Eve for a 0.0 system, such as kills, cyno's, NPC kills, jumps, etc.

So when people talk about the perfect intel tool called local, what about the other perfect intel tools that enable you to find activity?

When you mindlessly bleat remove local to an AFK cloaky whine thread, please think it through to the end point, because if you just remove local and leave all those nice shiny reports on activity you have just make it really easy for the easy fix brigade to get kills and Eve is not supposed to be an easy game is it?

I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalency, by comparing local to different out of game and in game intel.

The other methods are basically statistical, not live but delayed. They serve to effectively create a reputation for different pilots and systems based on past activity.

They are just fine, thank you very much, and for two major reasons.

Effort: They require more effort than simply watching a list from a chat channel. You want to know what happened in the past with system X, or pilot X? Great. That doesn't tell you what they are doing now, but feel free to guess.
The possibility of them duplicating past efforts will never be certain.

Not instant: Knowing they can fly a cloaked ship doesn't mean they are doing so at any given moment. You may even know they are online, but that hardly tells you enough about most players to be certain of anything beyond that they are online.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#77 - 2013-04-02 21:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
That is in game information, and the effort required is clicking systems in Dotlan or looking at blobs for NPC kills on the Eve star map, wow that was hard, no need to actually enter a system and look for some one using D-scan, its there, ratter operating in system and all you have to hope is that he does not have scouts watching the gates or that he can D-scan the gate where you come in with your Rapier. With that free intel without local it becomes so easy, its like taking candy from a baby!

Gank bears want it easy, its sad...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#78 - 2013-04-02 21:25:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
That is in game information, and the effort required is clicking systems in Dotlan or looking at blobs for NPC kills on the Eve star map, wow that was hard, no need to actually enter a system and look for some one using D-scan, its there, ratter operating in system and all you have to hope is that he does not have scouts watching the gates or that he can D-scan the gate where you come in with your Rapier. With that free intel without local it becomes so easy, its like taking candy from a baby!

When the term free intel is batted around, the context is often 'free from effort' entirely.

A history report, even one updated recently, won't warn you about impending events. Just that an area has a reputation or not for them.

Add to that the effort required to click anything, be it d-scan or a map for history, etc.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2013-04-03 05:31:51 UTC
bump

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#80 - 2013-04-03 06:21:45 UTC
My turn Twisted

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=221895&find=unread

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm