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EXACTLY, and whoever it was was saying this was a exploit.

SO I responded, you all are the ones that are failing the reading comprehension , not me.

You are bad..
You are a goon pet

How is it bullshit ? Sorry that my 30+ billion isk ship that I had to wait like half a year to build and took me 4 years of training to get in can instantly destroy your 10 cent frigate. I mean seriously, what am I thinking its so unfair of me. Why would I ever assume that time and money could buy power in a game running on a capitalist economy ? To make me even more of a bad guy, why would I assume that my hard earned money and dedicated skill training would give me the right to fly ships untouchable by someone with less skills and dedication than me ?

I'm so ashamed of myself

Not every supercap pilot uses their ship in a blob context. If you're dead-set on stripping SCs of the little defensive capabilities they currently have (being able to field light drones) rather than simply reducing their drone bay sizes to 250-350m3 (which is the solution I think offers the best balance between the current "infinite drones" situation and SCs being utterly defenseless against any potential tacklers), then can you at least add in some logistical support perks to compensate?

I currently use my Nyx as a combination operations hub and ratting cap / dumb JF killing platform. If you're going to take combat usage in a small-gang context from "extremely risky" (currently, even with "infinite drones" it's extremely hard to fight off a competent hostile tackle-- all they need is a light dictor or two who know how to pilot their ships and you're gonna be stuck on the field for as long as they have warp disrupt probes left to deploy) to "near suicidal" (supers will be completely unable to fend off any hostile tackle at all, even baddies), then can you add some logistical capabilities to compensate?

Ideas I've been toying with for new / augmented logistical capacity are:

- Increased SMA / CHA space (can keep more people supplied with ships and gear)
- "Repair bays" which could be used to repair items (for example, to rep fully heat-damaged modules)
- Assembly lines that could produce the kinds of goods frequently consumed in small gang warfare-- nanite paste, bubbles, drones, possibly subcap-sized modules, etc.
- Perhaps a limited variant of the jump portal generator-- perhaps only capable of bridging cruiser-sized hulls and smaller. This would leave fleet-level bridging to titans, but provide SCs an ability to augment small gang type warfare, similar to the way blops BS can at the moment.

Personally I think the idea of using supercarriers as logistics platforms is pretty cool. It would give SCs a continued use outside blob warfare for people like me who don't like unopposed structure bashing, and would help compensate for the fact that they'll be much less useful for combat in small gang contexts.

The true bitter vets of eve are the ones who manipulate the market, alliance politics, and resources out of the sight of peering eyes. Not the super cap pilots.

The proper vets know not to put their investments all into 1 ship that can go boom and cant get a good pay off of insurance

true bitter vets dont play eve anymore

Was the SC ever intended as a ratting platform?

Was the SC ever intended for solo ganking?

You will no doubt have a hard time finding support for that position.

Actually Izzy I was agreeing with you and just giving an example of what would happen if CCP stamped everyone with a 15 log off timer, aggro or not.
Not that you were promoting one.

THen secondly I stated if CCP could instead imply a 15 minute timer once you jump through a gate then that would solve the issue of jumping through a gate and logging off before you get aggro.

I am not sure how to make it clearer.

Just real quick...



This is self-entitlement. Read it, and understand that. Don't think you are special because you did something different than everyone else, because they did something you don't agree with. It isn't your game, or Goons, or NC or BoB or whomever the hell you think. It's everybody's game and we all know that these big azz ships are fielded in stupid numbers to tip the tide because it's easier that way.

Now, I'm not going to pretend I know alot about the mechanics of Carriers, Dreads, Moms, Super Caps or anything like that. I don't, so alot of these changes are just a tad bit over me. The logoffski mechanic getting fixed is easily the best thing, and I can see everyone pretty much agrees to that. Here's where I have to go into unfamiliar territory, and I am really going to just touch on one thing.

The whole Super Cap and Sub Cap thing seems to be more realistic if the Super Caps cannot own the Subcap ship classes with impunity. We're talking about gargantuan ships that were really designed to take on other gargantuan ships and large structures. Wiping the board clean of subcaps seems to me to be a broken mechanic. I'm not speaking of DD devices, I still believe that those should probably sterilize the battlefield of both sides. As far as subcaps taking out a Supercap, yeah, it should be possible, but you should need immense amounts of firepower to do it too. If it takes a 100+ Canes or Megas, then that's what it takes. It's not going to happen in a few minutes, nor should it. It should be possible, but only with coordination. Likewise, a Supercap should not enter the battlefield without subcap support, that would be stupid. Ultimately, it should be tactics versus tactics, not who brought the biggest or meanest ship.

I get the feeling that CCP is trying to make these monstrosities matter again, to make them special, something that isn't an everyday thing, but a commitment to a cause. A supercap should really be a last resort, or at the very least, the cornerstone of an assault. But no assault would be complete without fleet support, and I really see that CCP is trying to steer the game back in the subcap direction. I remember when a supercap being fielded or a DD device being used was something special, a Breaking News report that everyone read because it didn't happen everyday. But when it becomes commonplace, there's nothing special about it anymore. It's like hearing Tiger Woods won yet another championship, it's not momentous or awe inspiring, it just becomes meh.

Overall, I'm seeing alot of the big alliances pretty peeved about all this and it tells me that it's probably a good thing for the game. I think it will make people think twice about gratuitously throwing these ships on the field with an overriding sense of invulnerability. I hope it will make them special again, and therefore actually have some meaning once more.

Intended for? Who gives a flying **** what was intended-- the ships' statistics and capabilities made them an excellent ratting platform, and a decent (if risky) platform for solo ganking other capitals.

There are very few ships in EVE that have a limited set of uses (industrials, dictors, and dreads are about the only ships I can think of that don't regularly get used for purposes other than the ones they were "intended for"). If I buy a battleship, I can fit it for fleet PvP, solo PvP, or PvE. Same with a BC. Same with a carrier, etc, etc. What's your problem with the idea that people want to continue using ships for purposes you don't consider appropriate? I'm not going to tell you how you should or shouldn't be able to use your Megathron, so stop suggesting you ought be able to dictate to me how I should use my supercarrier.