Jita Park Speakers Corner

I dont think pos's are really that important... I'd rather see a whole expansion dedicated to ring mining.

NOT!... Seriously Unifex... I hope at least a few of the more astute devs are looking at this thread right now and muttering under their breath "I told you so..."

Usually threads like this are full of nay sayers, trolls and people agreeing with ccp... But not here... Five pages in and there's unilateral agreement that this is something that needs sorting sooner, rather than later. You're going back on your word for absolutely no good reason.

What is it that you understand about ccps standpoint on this? Not trolling... Genuinely curious

Please fix pos's... then perhaps wormhole corps won't require a blood sample to recruit you.

Yawp, fix POS's they are a huge pain to interface with no matter what you happen to be trying to do with them.

Confirming that I would really like POS's fixed.

Thinking about it a little more, I did come up with some potential problems but they would be with implementing changes yet are concerns players would need to think about.

If changes to security are implemented, the players would need to adjust such settings:

- What "time window" would be involved in adjusting them?
- What time windows would be involved in learning how to adjust them properly?
- What state would these be in until adjustments were made? "Default" security being ... upon implementation?

If changes to the structure/layout were made:

- What happens to the now defunct structural layouts that *ARE* deployed?
- What happens with layout changes needed to support a stronger configuration when the nearest base is ... far away?

So on and so forth.

The idea of changes do make sense and would be of benefit and value but getting there might cause mass nightmares for many outfits depending on how radical the changes are.

*YOU* might find it workable but how many owners might not be available "on demand" for when a server comes back up with changes implemented to adjust, repair and/or replace modules and such? How many of them might find themselves in untenable situations - robbed, blocked access to or unable to work with a long-standing POS that they own/operate?

As such, I can see this part of fixing them as potentially being a nightmare and causing CCP some serious grief. Those using them *ARE* "active players" to various degrees and changes that required revamp of security and/or layout/deployment of existing structures might prove very vexing.

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IMO - it doesn't mean that changes should be shelved or pushed away. It does mean that the players would need to have *VERY* strong communications on how it progresses made available to them so they can properly prepare; potentially to the point where they can gain access to "replacement modules" or the like, prior to full implementation so they can have the stuff "in place" prior to final release of all changes.

That's a bit of a daunting challenge for CCP to look at but just something to keep in mind during design changes, not an excuse for not going forward with something this valuable.

I cannot see why CCP would do this, especially after last years FanFest announcement of a POS revamp and so close to the FanFest coming up in a couple months .... they will have very unhappy customers coming, and I don't think they will be friendly.

I've been managing several towers since this announcement, and even as a noob POS manager my first thought was "This could be better. Much better.".

You guys need to fix the towers .... not only management, but access as well.


Unless this is an extension of the "We can't fix the Orca corp hangar, so we removed it from the game" bullsh*t excuse for not fixing it. I expect a similar excuse for POS's now, too.

As an industrailist, I have labs running research. I have players in my corp wanting to do the same. There is no reason why you can't fix this issue unless you 1.) Don't want to; or 2.) You have something to replace it.


And when I say "replace" lets make sure it's not like the "replacement" of drone mineral drops with those stupid officer drops we had to wait 6 months for release.

I know that me, my 60 man corp and all several hundred members of our alliance would be overjoyed to see *any& improvements to the POS system, as POSs are the thing we interact with daily, constantly, and the mechanics around POSs effect us more than any other factor in the game.

Shoddy POS security mechanics especially force us to be paranoid, intrusive and generally anti new player in our recruiting methods (or lack thereof).

In short, all of wormhole is the way it is (sneaky, rarefied, closed door, cloak and dagger, high skill previously organized groups only) because of POS mechanics. If we could ensure that our **** is safe on a basic intrinsic level we'd do so much more toward building a community. As it is it feels more like we're constantly on the move, never out of ship, always separated by a thin shield bubble from everything.

I like it, but I still admit it sucks, and there's a serious disincentive for me to hire new people or groom players I meet to join me, because again, POS mechanics are so dodgy.

Also, I live the other half of my life living out of a carrier in low/null. Why? Because there isn't a small stealthy pirate base type POS that I could use to store my stuff and move around in. POS could do so much more for the community, but right now all it does is allow for thefts and grief.

for the love of god, YES!

CCP, you have admitted that POS's in it's current state is a problem. You have also stated that the legacy coding behind the current POS's is a problem. Problems only grow worse over time. Period.

W-space dwellers, as previously stated, are NOT the only folks affected by the sh**-poor current POS mechanics; all POS owners/dwellers in all areas of EVE are affected. Yes, I said dwellers, meaning those that live inside of POS's, but do not have roles granted to manage (cough, cough) said POS.

This problem is not going to go away or magically disappear into the ether.....I challenge you, CCP, to tackle the POS revamp ASAP. Granted, it may take a while to solve this, perhaps over a couple expansions....but start it NOW!



Hehehe perhaps Exhale would be willing to post the image in their in-game public channel???