Jita Park Speakers Corner

I brought this up a long time back as a neutral point for changes to the game.

It doesn't favor any portion of space over any other. *ALL* security status space gains if this is addressed. It isn't giving more to any area yet does reward players who show they are interested in longer-term investments, with risks, across the game.

Seriously -- look at it:

-- You change ships, like a hurricane, to "match others" of their ilk and CCP pisses off people who no longer can fit the ships like they used to.

-- You add ships and you cut into what other, existing ships are used for and that will annoy others.

-- If you change around resources in space, again, you are messing with how players operate and what they focus on for accomplishing things -- now favoring operations in this space or that one over how it was.

Addressing controls and capabilities for POS's rewards mostly "supporting abilities" of these *PLAYER OWNED* items, enhancing the uses of things that take a good deal of cooperative effort to use - these are "invested players" who need to keep play regularly to maintain and use them.

Unlike things that you don't have to log in to keep, you really do need to be involved in this game to properly use them *AND* they are an "at risk" item while deployed.

Net effect, of all the things CCP can enhance and extend, this rewards those who actually play the game regularly, using things that *ARE* at risk, without any favoritism for a given type of space one chooses to operate out of.

I really don't get how they can choose to shelve this vs other efforts that *WILL* annoy players. Those are much higher "player loss" changes than enhancing this portion of the game.

Note: No, I don't have a POS so I gain nothing really from these changes. I just see different areas of this game tweaked in ways that do annoy some/many -- this at least will engender a "worst case" of "I don't care about that..." - best case being an increase in the use of these being as they can be "adjusted" to be a better option than "no risk" things like NPC stations and Outposts.

I'm upping my efforts to attending fanfest specifically to be able to discuss this in person with devs. Yes, I'm serious, it is that important.

Supported, POS mechanics are frustrating and tedious at best, and hair pulling, rage inducing monstrosities at worst

A good POS system would impact upon the play style of:

• W-space dwellers (all of them, regardless of roles)
• Manufacturers
• Researchers
• Inventors
• Miners
• People using POSes as logistics bases in hostile territory
• People competing with any of the above
• People relying on any of the above for income or support

Of all the players in EVE, the only ones whose play style will not be impacted by revamped POSes are the ones who only ever spin their ships in stations (and even that is up for debate).

Revamped POSes will go a long way to ameliorating the sucking chest wounds of nullsec.

Revamped POSes will go a long way towards moving the entire EVE economy into player hands.

NOT revamping POSes will kill the game more certainly than spending a year fixing them.

Suggesting that the POS using population is small right now, thus no revamp required, is clearly putting the cart before the house (the causative link is actually: POSes suck, so only desperate people use them)

Fix POS mechanics now please.....

I'm a POS. Fix me.

I was critical of Two Steps lack of response until i see now he would have been at the time working on this blog and post, MY apologies and thanks for making it as big as an issue as it really should be.


POS's are horrible as they are and need to be fixed above all else. Fixing POS's will in fact invigorate more gameplay in Wh's and in the greater EVE community, it will enable WH corporations to actively recruit without so much paranoia and vile towards the possibility of recruitment. It will allow HS, LS and NS POS's to be built in greater numbers.

+1 Two Step for the response we needed.

If I could pick one area of the game that would influence the most players... POSes come to mind.

Here's a suggestion for a themed expansion release:

First theme: Industry

Focus: farms and fields, the player driven economy

Output: homogenise the refinery & reprocessing system. All NPC stations use variants of POS refineries/reprocessing modules. They all have a number of disassembly lines which handle a certain volume of product per hour, at a particular efficiency, with associated job and time costs. New skills to enhance processing/refining line capacity per hour. POS refineries will generally be better, higher capacity facilities will have worse efficiency (thus rewarding all-5 industrialists with bean counter implants).

Output: rework industrial ships. Remove ore bay and survey bonus from Orca, add new industrial command ship with skirmish link bonus, large ore bay. Add new ORE frigate with T2 variant (astrometrics/covops) no weapons, survey range, survey speed and web speed bonus.

Output: move Rorqual link bonus from industrial core to hull/ship skill, remove rorqual ore bay, add industrial capital ship with focus on ore bay & compression lines, ability for freighters to load from hangars. Thus the "field command" variants of orca & rorqual focus on mining head activity, "fleet command" variant focuses on ore logistics. Frigates focus on exploration and nimble mining. Rorqual becomes useful in a belt due to extreme range tractors and no need to fit industrial core.

Output: allow ice harvester upgrades to affect cycle times on mining lasers

Output: freighter variant specialising in compressed ore transport, requires some support skill such as ore compression

Output: ammo bays which hold charges, lenses, scripts, probes, missiles, etc.

Output: remove mineral compression: all manufactured items become larger than the minerals required to manufacture them.

Output: introduce Research Projects, timed tasks undertaken by research agents based on exploration materials, which ends up producing data cores - thus removing the "passive" income of datacores (though this does nothing to address the significant effort of collecting said cores).

Output: remove data ores from FW LP stores, resource production through blowing things up is nonsensical.

Living at a POS and building at a POS is a pain, and POS related role are ********.


Fix POSes now.