Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Same here in Metropolis. The population seems to have evaporated overnight since there's no watering hole to drink from, so to speak.

We need these watering holes in lowsec, because otherwise there is little reason to have any fights over resources there on the small scale. These lowsec plexes were a VERY rare example of PvE and PvP co-existing in EVE, since you could run them in PvP ships, and they were valuable enough to fight over.

The rest of EVE PvE is just a horrible, horrible, horrible grind.

Still waiting! Some response, any response, would be great.

Dear CCP,

As a member of a concerned lowsec community I would like to inform you that your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Please give what we have posted in this thread a read over and answer us with the following:
Tell us:
a) Why they were removed in the first place (we have speculated but have no real answer here)
b) Why they were broken in low sec
c) Of the suggestions made (assuming that our assumptions addressed the reasons for removal) which ones you are considering and why, which ones you are not considering and why
and d) if none of the above is to even be disclosed give us some confirmation of this so that we can close this thread because right now it is important to all of us and we are dedicating time into something that might be worthless

If you can give us a, b and c you will spark A LOT of constructive conversation and generate a lot of ideas in the community. A great number of us are not contributing to this right now since we are concerned that it will fall on deaf ears. But showing that you are at least committed to taking something that was broken and fixing it will invigorate the community to do what it does best; make EVE better for everyone.

~Sylvous~

WTB dev response..... sometime this year would be nice. And the year is almost over.

Still waiting eagerly for a response from a Dev.

Also hi Havegun, long time no see!

Posted to Twitter: 10 days 10 pages and not even a "deal" over static complex changes. We're not going away.

We only ask that the meat not be wasted that was on the thrown bone. We are still very hungry here.

The two posts I made were pretty clear that financial gain is now segregated, and more profitable for PvP/PLEX'rs - you claim that aint you.

I also included the notion of Landmarks / Landmarks-with-bounties which could be used as the new hotspot. <- You don't seem to like the gladiatorial AI aspect.

Unless you are looking for bears you low-sec nobles should be able to work out a nice pvp spot and communicate.

@Borascus

I just checked your kill board to verify that you do use the complexes and have used them for pvp and can fully understand and appreciate what we are talking about here. Well the truth of the matter is that unless you are an alt you really don't understand at all.




Angelus Ryan has it right, these static plexes were like watering holes of a sort. They were easy, and did have a payoff that merited some level of risk (again, highsec was the wrong place for these), but be assured that on any given day more isk worth of ships was destroyed because of the existence of these complexes than was generated in assets.

There are all ready landmarks around the game and in low sec that people can go to, Ruined Minmatar Outpost for example. The thing is... it is not worth it. Sure you can go there, destroy a few bc's, but the isk vs time from that won't draw anyone to it who is serious about the game. You are better off running missions. The thing that made these static plexes work was that they had a disproportionately high isk to time ratio. Now I am understanding that those against them existing say that it was unfair because they provided so much with so little effort, the issue is that since they were just that, people were willing to fight over it, and lose ships over it. Because they were good enough to make fairly decent isk/hour you could expect that people would bring suitable combat ships to either gain access to the complex, or simply look for a fight.

It is true that the occasional person would show up in a purely PVE fit, but they were few and far between and would learn fast that PVP ships were the name of the game here.

These complexes were a choke point where readily available decent PVE spawned a amazing... for lack of a better word, arena in which PVP could happen.

The issue is that the introduction of a simple arena would not suffice as a good enough substitute, again we come back to the whole issue that there would be little point in that PVP other than the kill. ALl though myself and many others do engage in just that kind of PVP, its nice to be fighting for something, to have something that draws able PVPers to your area.

I hope that you might be able to understand now since you failed to ever experience what it is that you are generating an opinion on.

~Sylvous~