EVE General Discussion

Guys this isn't Fox News. You can't just keep repeating the same lie and hope it magically becomes true.

The rage was because Eve got ignored for two years while Space Barbie was being worked on. The monocole was just the match that lit the fuse.

Except in this case the derogatory term rings true. WiS is never going to add meaningful content to the actual game. Having poker night in a station bar or going to a dance party isn't going to change the course of New Eden.

Selective quoting and reading, eh?

A myriad of small fixes and changes to the Neocom, Hangars, general UI/usability, ship models, turret models/effects, new ships, learning skills removal, incursions, PI, POCOs, the ingame calendar, etc.
I'd copy/paste the notes here, but you're better off reading them.
As said, regular EvE gameplay was not neglected.

Most of the development effort went into Carbon (not WiS), in a massive effort aimed at rewriting a great part of the existing codebase, which is why this game's spaghetti code isn't falling apart. Yet.

WiS does not equate to "space barbies", the community feedback on future WiS development is "overwhelmingly positive", your arguments are still lacking, your logic is still flawed.

PS: keep posting, gotta keep this thread up.

Considering that Team Avatar doesn't even exist anymore that's fine with me.

CCP saw what happens when you cater to WiS lovers while:

a) introducing vanity items and microtransactions (again, the main reason of the unrest)

b) delivering poorly made, gameplay-less WiS content.

DUST may be a dying project, but it is a source of avatar-related experience, which can easily be implemented into EvE.

Had they decided to develop it on PC, it would have been another story.

The PS3:
a) is a difficult platform to develop games for (as Sony admitted)

b) has plenty of small-scale FPSs competition.

See thos As and Bs?
You keep ignoring them, which is stupid.

If Team Avatar "is dead", why do you keep posting here?
Get back to your nullbearing.
You've got nothing to fear, obviously.

The thread hasn't been locked, you know, which is enough of a reason, to me.

I think it's funny that there are toons in this thread that hadn't been created yet, trying to lecture why Incarna was such a failure insisting why people un-subbed and/or shot at a statue.

If any of you think you can speak for all of us, or even just those who un-subbed because of Incarna, I suggest you start including citations. I'll start by pointing out what Hilmar said in his apology letter.


In the threadnaught that followed Incarna (where us players spoke), there were many issues raised, from expensive pants, wasting 18months building a closet, MT, pay to win, and CCP's hubris toward us as exposed in "Fearless". This is not an exhaustive list. The general consensus however was that CCP was not listening and players were feeling estranged and taken advantage of. It was also clear that iteration on EVE (FIS) content had been all but abandoned in favor of 2 other games while most of the focus on EVE was directed at new avatar-based "game play" including microtransactions that was overly-publicized and delivered incomplete that should not have been released as-is.

CCP had to lay off 20% of their staff afterwards citing a lack of resources after losing approx 10% of subscriptions. That's how overextended they were doing other things that were not making money or advancing existing game play. I can only speak for myself even though I know many others who did the same, but I un-subbed my accounts because CCP was wasting my time trying to be like other MMOs while making compound bad decisions that affected my enjoyment of the game. The lack of iteration and neglect of unfinished and buggy features introduced previously was the last straw, un-subbing was the only way to send a message that would be heard. I am glad doing that helped result in CCPs return to sanity, and the shelving of Avatar game play until something meaningful and usable can be developed.



I don't see how dressing-up an avatar to go out to a space bar to socialize or play some mini-game fits in with the above future. Having this ability and doing so must have an impact on the game and consequences, not just because you can do it in other games.

I didn't say that we will, but we will see meaningful avatar gameplay in one capacity or the other... who knows? Maybe DUST (after pretty much failing on consoles) will be portet to PC, extended to boarding stations/cap ships, and somewhere down the line, even be combined with EVE and Valkyrie? ...that sounds like a pretty complete scifie simulation to me.

Dust is a failure and on another game engine
Valkerie is vapor ware and a desperate attempt to keep up with new tech.

I know I know, but the ideas behind ithose "games" are promising... CCP "just" has to figure out how to make them work, and incorporate them into the one game they have that already is successful... given, that's something they haven't been very good at that up until now...

Valkyrie is arcade game and you can't even brake while in space. It would ruin whole experience in VR. It is like uridium on commodore 64.