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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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RAP ACTION HERO
#1101 - 2013-07-12 02:40:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone interested in getting CCP to add some avatar related content, see the crowd sourcing thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257924&find=unread

and add your suggestion to it. Use keywords like "Avatar" "WIS" "Incarna".


I suggest some coordinated effort to push a few features in the "easy" range.

FAI, copy & paste all or any of the following:

Suggestion: Deliver all apparel available as market tabs but not at NEx store/market
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Deliver publicly the apparel that remains unused after being handed exclusively to FW LP stores
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Additional make up and hair colors for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator
Note: blue/violet colors and fantasy hair dye colors (sherry red, lemon yellow, electric blue...)

Suggestion: Additional body poses/stances for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Additional backgrounds for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator
Note: would like backgrounds suggesting large open spaces and bright backgrounds compatible with intense lighting

Suggestion: Implement a web 3D viewer of the full body avatar at the forums
Keywords: Avatars, character creator, web

More to come tomorrow...


did you miss the keyword content?

vitoc erryday

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1102 - 2013-07-12 06:58:08 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone interested in getting CCP to add some avatar related content, see the crowd sourcing thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257924&find=unread

and add your suggestion to it. Use keywords like "Avatar" "WIS" "Incarna".


I suggest some coordinated effort to push a few features in the "easy" range.

FAI, copy & paste all or any of the following:

Suggestion: Deliver all apparel available as market tabs but not at NEx store/market
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Deliver publicly the apparel that remains unused after being handed exclusively to FW LP stores
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Additional make up and hair colors for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator
Note: blue/violet colors and fantasy hair dye colors (sherry red, lemon yellow, electric blue...)

Suggestion: Additional body poses/stances for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator

Suggestion: Additional backgrounds for the portrait maker
Keywords: Avatars, character creator
Note: would like backgrounds suggesting large open spaces and bright backgrounds compatible with intense lighting

Suggestion: Implement a web 3D viewer of the full body avatar at the forums
Keywords: Avatars, character creator, web

More to come tomorrow...


did you miss the keyword content?


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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#1103 - 2013-07-12 15:07:47 UTC
As its not just a "Little things" thread, but also a "medium things" thread, including some medium things can be done too. Such as

Suggestion: Add public meeting areas for multiple avatars. Let the role players provide the content.
Keywords: Avatars, WIS, Incarna

Suggestion: Add alliance and corporate offices for multiple avatars, possibly including planning tools or a market limited to the alliance or corporation.
Keywords: Avatars, WIS, Incarna

Suggestion: Add establishments to stations for multiple avatars. Allow contraband items to be sold there, with player enforcement of the customs laws in space when such items are transported.
Keywords: Avatars, WIS, Incarna

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#1104 - 2013-07-18 02:54:25 UTC
Added a few items.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this process.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1105 - 2013-07-18 06:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Flamespar wrote:
Added a few items.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this process.


Oh, it's easy to foretell.

CSM builds up the 99 bullet point list, notices that there are a few little posts asking for avatar content:

Case A: "They're so few, let them have a try because everything else is overly overrepresented"
Case B: "They're so few, let's rather add a point to iterate diminutive features 4,608, 4,609 and 4,610 instead of anyhting avatar related"

With the current CSM, case B is almost granted, and I'll let you imagine Malcanis telling us why it is our fault, in a demeaning, patronizing tone. Lol

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1106 - 2013-07-18 07:00:00 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
With the current CSM, case B is almost granted, and I'll let you imagine Malcanis telling us why it is our fault, in a demeaning, patronizing tone. Lol
…except that Malc sees a lot of promise in WIS — just not in the meaningless waste of dev resources.
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#1107 - 2013-07-18 09:16:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…except that Malc sees a lot of promise in WIS — just not in the meaningless waste of dev resources.


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- excellent, excellent ... fabulous

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RAP ACTION HERO
#1108 - 2013-07-18 16:19:08 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Added a few items.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this process.


Oh, it's easy to foretell.

CSM builds up the 99 bullet point list, notices that there are a few little posts asking for avatar content:

Case A: "They're so few, let them have a try because everything else is overly overrepresented"
Case B: "They're so few, let's rather add a point to iterate diminutive features 4,608, 4,609 and 4,610 instead of anyhting avatar related"

With the current CSM, case B is almost granted, and I'll let you imagine Malcanis telling us why it is our fault, in a demeaning, patronizing tone. Lol


yeah scrap all that dimunitive gameplay stuff lets focus on new pants and a bunch dudes emoting each other in a bar.

vitoc erryday

Flamespar
WarRavens
#1109 - 2013-08-01 23:05:08 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Added a few items.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this process.


Oh, it's easy to foretell.

CSM builds up the 99 bullet point list, notices that there are a few little posts asking for avatar content:

Case A: "They're so few, let them have a try because everything else is overly overrepresented"
Case B: "They're so few, let's rather add a point to iterate diminutive features 4,608, 4,609 and 4,610 instead of anyhting avatar related"

With the current CSM, case B is almost granted, and I'll let you imagine Malcanis telling us why it is our fault, in a demeaning, patronizing tone. Lol


Looks like you called it correctly.
Wolf Kruol
1st Tikiona Lancers
Citizen's Star Republic
#1110 - 2013-08-02 00:01:50 UTC
If CCP your planning to improve the avatar's Can you please add hairy chests.. Seriously... I like to look like a man.. Not a boy. Thanks Blink

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1111 - 2013-08-02 00:09:49 UTC
Look! That old horse got up again!

Somebody get a stick, it's ready to be beaten some more!

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#1112 - 2013-08-02 06:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Doc Fury wrote:
Look! That old horse got up again!

Somebody get a stick, it's ready to be beaten some more!



Do you expect any less? Especially since the CSM ignored any Avatar related points in the "reasonable" suggestions thread, despite their getting more likes (and suggested more times) than a great deal of the crap that ended up on the final 99 list.

A great many of the items on that list are not "medium" things at all, they're less significant that most of the Little Things changes we get each year. It's a joke.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#1113 - 2013-08-02 11:55:19 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Look! That old horse got up again!

Somebody get a stick, it's ready to be beaten some more!



Do you expect any less? Especially since the CSM ignored any Avatar related points in the "reasonable" suggestions thread, despite their getting more likes (and suggested more times) than a great deal of the crap that ended up on the final 99 list.

A great many of the items on that list are not "medium" things at all, they're less significant that most of the Little Things changes we get each year. It's a joke.


I actually didn't count, so I don't know if that is true.
What I do know is that WiS has a lot of support within the group of players I know and within the prospective players that I know.

We should face facts: This forum is in no way representative of the opinion of all current EVE players anyway.

In any case, when the CSM election happened there was not a single CSM candidate - at least as far as I remember - who was for anything WiS. So it comes at no great surprise that they did not pick anything WiS.

That and the fact that probably they realize that WiS development would be out of scope.

WiS does have - or would have - a lot of potential for EVE in my opinion.

But to add one point: the time of "Bug fixes" must be over!
When I picked from the list of 99 items that were chosen by the CSM, I found it hard to find anything except for "improved Drone Controls" that really made me say: "Whew, yeah we need this!"

I ended up picking that one and a few further "nice to haves".

But I'm unimportant in that whole endeavor anyway. Why? Because I'm already hooked. With or without WiS I'll stay with EVE - for now - because I love the game.

Its the people that are not hooked, swimming there in the pond, circling the bait, deciding if its tasty. I don't think they'll care much about: "We need a trillion alliance fittings, cos..."

And the question most of them will answer for themselves during their trial will be like this:

"Does exploration really make me feel like an explorer?"
"Can I really feel like this top-level industry magnate in the end?"
"Is this really piracy what I'm doing?"
"Hey, does a space fight feel like a good space fight?"

And some - not that few - will also ask themselves:
"Hey, why can't my toon leave that friggin cage?"

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1114 - 2013-08-02 12:37:55 UTC
This all sounds awesome, would be great to allow a pub or something for simple WIS interaction, or let corporations own parts of the station to build for example a casino or something? looking forward to this

I disagree

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1115 - 2013-08-02 13:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Flamespar wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Added a few items.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this process.


Oh, it's easy to foretell.

CSM builds up the 99 bullet point list, notices that there are a few little posts asking for avatar content:

Case A: "They're so few, let them have a try because everything else is overly overrepresented"
Case B: "They're so few, let's rather add a point to iterate diminutive features 4,608, 4,609 and 4,610 instead of anyhting avatar related"

With the current CSM, case B is almost granted, and I'll let you imagine Malcanis telling us why it is our fault, in a demeaning, patronizing tone. Lol


Looks like you called it correctly.


Not very difficult, provided how avatars are the ultimate abandoned feature...

Last year I was saying that CCP's strategy concerning WiS was to deprive WiS ers of any hope. No talking, no doing, until we left. "Issue delayed, issue fixed", did I say.

And here we are, fewer than before, and the only CCP does for us is grab our money with existing but unreleased stuff.

At least now EVE is a cheap MMO, there aren't many games that provide so much(?) for less than 10 euros a month. Of course some may think that cutting the sub by 30% is akin to putting the game on sale, but then, that's what they do with old games, don't them?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1116 - 2013-08-02 13:12:47 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
(...)

But to add one point: the time of "Bug fixes" must be over!
When I picked from the list of 99 items that were chosen by the CSM, I found it hard to find anything except for "improved Drone Controls" that really made me say: "Whew, yeah we need this!"

I ended up picking that one and a few further "nice to haves".(...)


Heh, I also voted some drone improvements, can't remember which. Most of the list was totally uninspiring in its banality; I've written grocery lists with more awe in them. What?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#1117 - 2013-08-02 13:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Quote:


Not very difficult, provided how avatars are the ultimate abandoned feature...

Last year I was saying that CCP's strategy concerning WiS was to deprive WiS ers of any hope. No talking, no doing, until we left. "Issue delayed, issue fixed", did I say.

And here we are, fewer than before, and the only CCP does for us is grab our money. At least now EVE is a cheap MMO, there aren't many games that provide so much(?) for less than 10 euros a month. Of course some may think that cutting the sub by 30% is akin to putting the game on sale, but then, that's what they do with old games, don't them?[


That is the thing that concerns me and that all the "space barbie" and "FiS" and "bug fixers" should take into consideration, too.
I'm not really an "EVE is dead/dying" kind of person.

But it is very obvious that avatars and the features they originally planned (pubs, etc) do have a great appeal.

So the fact that they don't iterrate on it could have two reasons:
The outspoken gentlemen here that think they are "winning a fight for FiS"
OR
The fact that CCP doesn't really want to/can put that much money anymore into EVE, looking at future projects that promise more revenue.

Because I think no one can really deny that WiS would be a great addition to the space simulation. It could open up a whole new ingame market if done correctly and revitalize the game.

Just speculation, of course. But it is one way to interprete it, too. One of so many.

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Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#1118 - 2013-08-02 13:19:33 UTC
why must you tease us so!
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#1119 - 2013-08-02 13:21:34 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Aidan Brooder wrote:
(...)

But to add one point: the time of "Bug fixes" must be over!
When I picked from the list of 99 items that were chosen by the CSM, I found it hard to find anything except for "improved Drone Controls" that really made me say: "Whew, yeah we need this!"

I ended up picking that one and a few further "nice to haves".(...)


Heh, I also voted some drone improvements, can't remember which. Most of the list was totally uninspiring in its banality; I've written grocery lists with more awe in them. What?


And I don't even fly drone boats... What? Scary...

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1120 - 2013-08-02 13:44:39 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
(...)

So the fact that they don't iterrate on it could have two reasons:
The outspoken gentlemen here that think they are "winning a fight for FiS"
OR
The fact that CCP doesn't really want to/can put that much money anymore into EVE, looking at future projects that promise more revenue.(...)


Pass on the tinfoil hat, but i'm thinking something like that.

I think that CCP has come to realize that, for several reasons, EVE as a product has reached maturity and from there it can only start aging, and so they've made their plans accordingly.

Can EVE die? Let me use a simile: Can Coca-Cola die? Not exactly. But certainly Classic Coke is not the only thing C-C sells. Classic Coke has not been abandoned, but it no longer gets the weight of investment -how many Classic ads have you seen, compared to Zero's? C-C Co. has moved to greener pastures, without abandoning their flagship states, but also Classic Coke no longer is the cool kid in the block.

So in a way, FiS crowd has won the fight for EVE. EVE will never be anything else than it is, hoorray. But it certainly is called to become less in the eyes of CCP.

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