EVE General Discussion

I see your point and I can't say I disagree with it, but (there is always but) consider this:

If Hilmar said "we will continue work on WiS" on fanfest after Incarna how big of a player base rage that could have raised, how many rage quits would have followed, how much tears and hate there would be on forums. So right now they just siting, playing the waiting games. This is point one.

Right now EVE as FiS have problems like ship balancing, POSes, 0.0. So first, things that are broken must be fixed. Then, only then new features like WiS can be introduced.(imho of course) Look at it this way: if someone ordered to paint a portrait you do not wibbly wobbly some face features put an awesome, refined frame and call it a day. You make face the centerpiece of a painting with all its highlights, shadows, half-shadows and so on, and only then you put a frame that will make this portrait more refined. This is point two.

Last point: about Star Citizen and Elite. I agree with you, but do not forget that EVE is a game with 10 years of content put in, it would be impossible for a new game to have so much content on release, it will be just physically impossible to do this. Plus you as a consumer and a sci-fi fan should be happy if Star Citizen and Elite came out and turn out to be great. On top of that competition just makes things greater, so again can't see how you as a consumer would not benefit from that.

About Blizzard: sorry, not buying it. =/ They have one good game that is Starcraft, will they make a sandbox MMO in this universe - maybe, will they make a good sandbox MMO - probably not.


Ou, CCP Bayesian talking to people, explaining stuff to us, collecting 666 likes ... you sil..

A prime example of a thoroughly unconvincing argument.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Varius, since I think I made a fairly convincing argument in another thread, let me quote myself.




Also, I'm pretty sure all people who would like to see walking in stations become more than what it is right now, would agree that ANY kind of iteration on it would be good. Being able to invite a limited number of people to captain's quarters for example is one of the most requested little things in Incarna related threads.

You are absolutely on the right track, though the actual content of your argument is underwhelming. It basically comes down to what people expect the output to be and what the inputs required will be. I am extremely confident that that is the hang-up for most people who don't support or don't care about WiS.

If you believe that a difference can be made, then work at collectively articulating your expected outputs, and then getting any kind of official feedback from CCP on what it would take in inputs to achieve them.


Good luck.

I didn't say it was a lie, but that it became a lie. Anyway I am intrigued as what did you learn after fanfest that lead to the abandonment of avatars. Can you expand it, please? What did you learned?

Also, something can be said for true: people who want WiS are dwindling as they stop playing EVE, so the more it goes, the lesser an issue becomes WiS from "natural causes". "Issue delayed, issue resolved", we say in this cynical southern tip of Europe. Why kill your enemy if he can just die of an old age? Why bother with an incovenient demand from players, if those players just can be let go by depriving them of all hope?

I wonder who in this thread, was in the threads about WiS in 2011. Methink I'm the only one, and I'm not even subscribed, not since October.

There's another side to stagnation: as EVE has been in the market for 10 years, how many potential players haven't tried it yet? And what does EVE offer now that it hasn't been offering for years?

If you were aware of EVE, and never interested yourself to try it for 10 years, or you tried and didn't liked anytime of the last 10 years, why should you give a try or try again in 2013? Because in june 4th some obscure mechanics you don't know, that affect some obscure gameplay you don't care of, will be shifted?

"Hey, you should really try EVE now! They're removing static ice belts!"
"OMFG, is that true? Oh glorious day, i am joining EVE at least! And will get a sidekick and then a Power of 2, too!"

Not really cutting it, does it?

The issue with your statement is its the same thing as saying "Never" without actually saying it. No matter how much money CCP has, spending any of it on WiS will always mean that money cannot be spent on something else.

CCP Unifex, if this is wrong, could you please tell me how money can be spent on WiS with that same money being totally unavailable for FiS? How can any money be spent on WiS without someone saying "You could have just hired different people, good at FiS features, and spent it on them!"

(Actually I know one way: A bunch of players get together and say "We will give you this money for WiS, but only WiS".)

The way I see it CCP needs to come clean here. Either declare Avatar based features dead forever in the game of Eve, or state that at some point money that could be spent on FiS will instead be spent on WiS.

As for voting: I like it. Lets let everyone who plays vote for what features they want. The portion of their subscription that goes to development will go to the feature they voted for. That way everyone who does not want WiS can be sure none of their money went to develop it.

Bingo. Frankly everytime I stop playing EVE for a month or two (usually stay subbed for trainings) it's because I am bored of the same old thing day in and day out. The people that haven't joined or had a trial account and quit did so for a reason. Well...that reason hasn't changed in 10 years but could have with meaningful gameplay through WiS.

I have said this a thousand times and I will say it again. I can't count the number of people I have spoken to about EVE who say they won't play simply because it is nothing but ships in space. People want more than ships in space. EVE caters to a very minor group of gamers and will continue to do so until CCP expands EVE to include more than ships in space. DUST begins to do this but DUST is not EVE and is on the PS3.

The population of players in EVE would explode if there was some meaningful PvP gameplay within the stations of EVE. And no, this does not mean through DUST. This means getting a gun and shooting other players in the face from behind cover in the halls of a station. Such gameplay would invite a huge amount of players who would slowly but surely gravitate into flying ships in space and doing PvP in nullsec.

Sadly...a lot of people just don't seem to understand this and stick to their ignorant views of WiS because they don't want to do it.

Hell no...make it ME3 over the shoulder 3rd person with cover style and the same kind of style DUST uses for weapon and suit loss. MEANINGFUL gameplay.

"Meaningful" is a loaded word in EVE and it should not mean what is usually implied.

A player should feel he's been rewarded if he did it right, even if he didn't win != a player should feel he's a useless piece of excrement if he failed to did it right, let alone if he didn't win