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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#881 - 2013-04-26 22:38:02 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Sense


I'm with Doc here. You have no basis for any of your claims. You can run off gut feelings all you like, but it doesn't make them right. This isn't a religion. If you want to make claims, you need facts. We're not going to take your on "faith". Faith is worthless in any serious discussion.


I don't make claims. I express my opinion. You can agree or disagree and I would like that you were right and i was wrong -if just to protect my investement in this game.

But as far as having faith in CCP is involved, they did a fine job to kill every trace of it since Incarna.

BTW, fi you're up for serious discussion, what are you doing discussing about a videogame?
Ghazu
#882 - 2013-04-27 04:48:36 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Wait for the "Prototyping the future" presentation. Its almost the last one.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#883 - 2013-04-27 05:02:11 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Wait for the "Prototyping the future" presentation. Its almost the last one.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

Its almost the last one on Saturday.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#884 - 2013-04-27 07:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Wait for the "Prototyping the future" presentation. Its almost the last one.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

Its almost the last one on Saturday.


Will wait for comments on it, so far after reading what's been published about the Future of EVE keynote all i got is that CCP Seagull said something about building stargates to go somewhere. Which sounds like "more WH space without WH space" or "Apochrypha 2: back to the good old days".

Originality isn't their strong point, is it...? What?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#885 - 2013-04-27 07:32:38 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Wait for the "Prototyping the future" presentation. Its almost the last one.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

Its almost the last one on Saturday.


Will wait for comments on it, so far after reading what's been published about the Future of EVE keynote all i got is that CCP Seagull said something about building stargates to go somewhere. Which sounds like "more WH space without WH space".

Originality it's not their strong point... What?


Fortunately, not everyone shares your pessimism and hopelessness.

The last two years were the best in EvE Online history. The three great expansions delivered and Odyssey looks very impresive. EvE Online is in great shape.

The Tears Must Flow

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#886 - 2013-04-27 07:34:11 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Wait for the "Prototyping the future" presentation. Its almost the last one.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

Seagull was asked about plans for "avatar based gameplay" during the interviews leading up to Fanfest and said that they where looking for ways to make it useful but that they currently didn't have any plans for it.

So it remains status quo, no resources will be used until they find some use for it that is worth investing in.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#887 - 2013-04-27 08:12:23 UTC
The longer I sit and think about it, the more and more I see where they're coming from. Very few people want avatar-based gameplay more than I do. I still remember reading a TenTonHammer article that came out a while before Incarna and how excited I was that Eve was expanding beyond spaceships and blahblahblah. Well....2 years later and we all know how that whole thing went lol.

In any case, these days, the more time I spend with the game, the more I think about the possibilities of avatar-based gameplay, and the more I learn about game development (as a whole for my own benefit), the happier I am CCP decided to step back and put it on hold. Like I said, it's still something I absolutely want, but I get why they're doing what they're doing at the moment and that makes me happy because if and when avatar gameplay does come back for round 2, it'll come correct this time.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#888 - 2013-04-27 12:42:11 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
The longer I sit and think about it, the more and more I see where they're coming from. Very few people want avatar-based gameplay more than I do. I still remember reading a TenTonHammer article that came out a while before Incarna and how excited I was that Eve was expanding beyond spaceships and blahblahblah. Well....2 years later and we all know how that whole thing went lol.

In any case, these days, the more time I spend with the game, the more I think about the possibilities of avatar-based gameplay, and the more I learn about game development (as a whole for my own benefit), the happier I am CCP decided to step back and put it on hold. Like I said, it's still something I absolutely want, but I get why they're doing what they're doing at the moment and that makes me happy because if and when avatar gameplay does come back for round 2, it'll come correct this time.


Well, i also get the "why". There is no way they can add avatar gameplay without a serious increase in their resources -and that's unlikely to happen.

Let's say that you've been aware of EVE for the last 10 years, but never interested you enough to give a try. Or let's say that you gave a try and didn't like what you saw.

If you're one of the above, what does EVE offer to you now/plans to offer to you in the future?

More of the same.

Rather than expand the potential playerbase, CCP is focusing on the returning player/already subscribed player. And hey, it works! Here i am, 10 euros a month was enough to convince me to come back after Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2! Welcome back, Indahmawar Fazmarai!

That's it, unitl I grow tired of doing the same sh*t and go play something else. And of course, i am paying 33% less developer time than when I still had hope in this game and company. Well, that was wrong: i'm paying 67% less dev time, actually, as i used to have two accounts.

Dunno. I'm in a depressive mood these days due to RL issues, but also i can't see how my current feelings about EVE are but a difference in degree and not in quality over the usual. I enjoy the little i have now and don't count on CCP outperforming themselves and bringing anything worth it to EVE.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#889 - 2013-04-27 12:54:05 UTC
So whats this exclusive 10 year veteran station CCP mentioned in the keynote? I wonder if it'll include in station areas.

Spose it makes sense to reward vets with an exclusive area.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#890 - 2013-04-27 14:29:06 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
If you're one of the above, what does EVE offer to you now/plans to offer to you in the future?

More of the same.

Rather than expand the potential playerbase, CCP is focusing on the returning player/already subscribed player. And hey, it works! Here i am, 10 euros a month was enough to convince me to come back after Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2! Welcome back, Indahmawar Fazmarai!

That's it, unitl I grow tired of doing the same sh*t and go play something else. And of course, i am paying 33% less developer time than when I still had hope in this game and company. Well, that was wrong: i'm paying 67% less dev time, actually, as i used to have two accounts.

Dunno. I'm in a depressive mood these days due to RL issues, but also i can't see how my current feelings about EVE are but a difference in degree and not in quality over the usual. I enjoy the little i have now and don't count on CCP outperforming themselves and bringing anything worth it to EVE.


Pretty much this. More of the same. Sure it doesn't cause cataclysmic events like Incarna/NEX store/Greed letter perfect storm did, but it also doesn't make the game grow in any serious way. And if you're not growing, you're stagnating. How many more years of these minor changes until people just get bored? I was watching the keynote video last night, and how long will the novelty of the "new and amazing" stuff in Odyssey last? A week? Two? I don't know about you, but the new jumpgate effect was nice the first time, OK the second time, and "Yeah, yeah, move on already" the third time. Three jumps in a row, and I was over it. And I know I'm not the only one. Development time well spent?

Avatar-based gameplay, and I mean MEANINGFUL avatar-based gameplay, had the potential to snap EVE out of its rut and push it up into a whole new bracket. All those people that would play it but just can't get past the whole "your ship that changes all the time and WILL blow up is your avatar" thing, they'll be playing something else, when they could be playing EVE. And it's not like CCP has to invent something new, there's no need to re-invent the wheel. There's tons of things that they could do for avatar gameplay. Heck, just rip off other MMOs. Do what Pirates of the Burning Sea did with avatar combat, even that is better than nothing and it'll add a whole new dimension to game's combat.

But they seem content to just hold on to players they have and keep releasing these "more of the same" patches and...what...? Wait for something better to come along and finally kill it? EVE did enjoy a decade of virtually zero competition. I mean, how many space MMOs came out since 2003? None? Games like Black Prophecy aren't MMOs by even the furthest stretch of the imagination. But now you have MMO-like titles with a persistent world on the way, like Star Citizen. Only a matter of time before a full-fledged MMO comes out. Worse still, imagine if Blizzard's next project is based on Starcraft (sci-fi) universe? Especially if it has space and aerial combat? What if it's a sandbox? What will happen to EVE then? Just seems to me they're going through the motions, even avatar gameplay is the future of this game.
Eddie Meth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#891 - 2013-04-27 14:37:26 UTC
Question:
Is there any chance on losing bilions in poker? According to your devblog you have gambling minigames planned, they are going to be original ones/ some New Eden variants / totally classic stuff like Texas Hold'em?
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#892 - 2013-04-27 15:14:35 UTC
Eddie Meth wrote:
Question:
Is there any chance on losing bilions in poker? According to your devblog you have gambling minigames planned, they are going to be original ones/ some New Eden variants / totally classic stuff like Texas Hold'em?


There's no Space Texas in New Eden, unless you count the Talocan settlements in Okkelen constellation.

Talocan Hold'em?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#893 - 2013-04-27 16:36:00 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
If you're one of the above, what does EVE offer to you now/plans to offer to you in the future?

More of the same.

Rather than expand the potential playerbase, CCP is focusing on the returning player/already subscribed player. And hey, it works! Here i am, 10 euros a month was enough to convince me to come back after Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2! Welcome back, Indahmawar Fazmarai!

That's it, unitl I grow tired of doing the same sh*t and go play something else. And of course, i am paying 33% less developer time than when I still had hope in this game and company. Well, that was wrong: i'm paying 67% less dev time, actually, as i used to have two accounts.

Dunno. I'm in a depressive mood these days due to RL issues, but also i can't see how my current feelings about EVE are but a difference in degree and not in quality over the usual. I enjoy the little i have now and don't count on CCP outperforming themselves and bringing anything worth it to EVE.


Pretty much this. More of the same. Sure it doesn't cause cataclysmic events like Incarna/NEX store/Greed letter perfect storm did, but it also doesn't make the game grow in any serious way. And if you're not growing, you're stagnating. How many more years of these minor changes until people just get bored? I was watching the keynote video last night, and how long will the novelty of the "new and amazing" stuff in Odyssey last? A week? Two? I don't know about you, but the new jumpgate effect was nice the first time, OK the second time, and "Yeah, yeah, move on already" the third time. Three jumps in a row, and I was over it. And I know I'm not the only one. Development time well spent?

Avatar-based gameplay, and I mean MEANINGFUL avatar-based gameplay, had the potential to snap EVE out of its rut and push it up into a whole new bracket. All those people that would play it but just can't get past the whole "your ship that changes all the time and WILL blow up is your avatar" thing, they'll be playing something else, when they could be playing EVE. And it's not like CCP has to invent something new, there's no need to re-invent the wheel. There's tons of things that they could do for avatar gameplay. Heck, just rip off other MMOs. Do what Pirates of the Burning Sea did with avatar combat, even that is better than nothing and it'll add a whole new dimension to game's combat.

But they seem content to just hold on to players they have and keep releasing these "more of the same" patches and...what...? Wait for something better to come along and finally kill it? EVE did enjoy a decade of virtually zero competition. I mean, how many space MMOs came out since 2003? None? Games like Black Prophecy aren't MMOs by even the furthest stretch of the imagination. But now you have MMO-like titles with a persistent world on the way, like Star Citizen. Only a matter of time before a full-fledged MMO comes out. Worse still, imagine if Blizzard's next project is based on Starcraft (sci-fi) universe? Especially if it has space and aerial combat? What if it's a sandbox? What will happen to EVE then? Just seems to me they're going through the motions, even avatar gameplay is the future of this game.


They're preaching to the choir, to speak so, and are proud to see how many old faces are back around.
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#894 - 2013-04-27 19:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sointu Luonnotar
"The door will remain closed."
"Maybe we will discuss it next year."
--CCP CEO on Fanfest 2013.

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed. Not at all surprised of course but still disappointed. This is THE feature I've waited for years.
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#895 - 2013-04-27 19:09:24 UTC
Nice move CCP, "Come to Fanfest, and find out our plans for WiS..."

Our plan... "Zip, nada, diddeley squat...! but hey, come to Fanfest next year, and maybe we can talk about maybe doing something..."

Nice... /sarcasm

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#896 - 2013-04-27 19:11:52 UTC
The door will eventually open :)

CCP is doing the right thing at this time. FOCUS!!!

The Tears Must Flow

Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#897 - 2013-04-27 19:13:03 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
The door will eventually open :)

CCP is doing the right thing at this time. FOCUS!!!




Yeah but when is this eventually? 2018?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#898 - 2013-04-27 19:34:50 UTC
hahaha another year down

suck on that

keeping paying for and posting about a game that doesn't actually exist

so dumb

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#899 - 2013-04-27 19:37:05 UTC
No surprised at all by the announcement there are no plans to work on Avatar stuff for at least another year.

By this time next year, more people will be a running a capable OS and video hardware so CCP will be more capable of doing something meaningful. DUST will either pan-out or not by then, which will be a big factor in regard to the resources CCP will have at its disposal.










There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#900 - 2013-04-27 19:38:37 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
hahaha another year down

suck on that

keeping paying for and posting about a game that doesn't actually exist

so dumb

Well... I am waiting for TESO too, so we'll see what comes first. If they do come. But if I am lucky and get both of themin year or few, so much the better.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia