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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#561 - 2013-02-24 14:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
lol baby steps of let's make the ability to let a bunch of dudes dress up and emote other the top priority.


It's better to show commitment and deliver a little, than ignore and deliver nothing.


But showing commitment and deliver a little was exactly what CCP did and what created the entire WiS mess.

They applied a serious amount of development resources and delivered something that had no impact on game play what so ever.

But it did have an impact on 20% of CCP's employees.

I find it unlikely that they will show any more commitment until they have something that actually adds to the game to deliver.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

RAP ACTION HERO
#562 - 2013-02-24 17:12:56 UTC
i thought it's been established that a bunch of dudes dressing up emoting each other makes dogshite for content, and just lol plain wrong.

vitoc erryday

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#563 - 2013-02-24 17:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Lors Dornick wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
lol baby steps of let's make the ability to let a bunch of dudes dress up and emote other the top priority.


It's better to show commitment and deliver a little, than ignore and deliver nothing.


But showing commitment and deliver a little was exactly what CCP did and what created the entire WiS mess.

They applied a serious amount of development resources and delivered something that had no impact on game play what so ever.

But it did have an impact on 20% of CCP's employees.

I find it unlikely that they will show any more commitment until they have something that actually adds to the game to deliver.


Yea, except they didn't deliver a "little". The poured development time into creating an entire new engine (Carbon), which Eve runs on now. That Engine has contributed to a lot of the changes we've seen since. People somehow are always under the impression that all the did was create a little room with a pointless Avatar in it... When it comes down to it, that is all we got on face value, but we've been reaping the benefits of the Carbon engine ever since.

If they spent an entire development cycle on Avatar based content (and I am not saying they should), you wouldn't get just one room anymore. Over the Crucible expansion cycle they made the other three racial quarters and a whole host of other features which everyone loved, because the engine was already finished. They created three new rooms with a tiny fraction of the dev resources from the previous expansion. We could see a massive boost in the amount of WiS content with a comparatively small amount of dev time.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#564 - 2013-02-24 18:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
i thought it's been established that a bunch of dudes dressing up emoting each other makes dogshite for content, and just lol plain wrong.

Your absolutely right, which is why, given the nature of EvE's sandbox, we should also be able to put a bomb in our WiS disposable clones and detonate it in the middile of the group of dancing pissants.

Just because some prick will probably stand around dancing in bar all day spamming local, should not mean that WiS is called off. The potential for new gameplay elements are huge. Imagine carrying out specialised contracts, attacking staions with a suicide clone with an explosive, chemical or biological device inside them. Imagine taking out station officials in order to reduce rents on hangers. Imagine an open black market where you can buy all sorts of outlawed items. Imagine picking up specail missions from back alley agents who are unable to deal in the open.

Imagine the ganks you could pull on a room full of carebears who never undock!!!
RAP ACTION HERO
#565 - 2013-02-25 05:37:41 UTC
but but but https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=208832
not barbie freaking at all.

vitoc erryday

Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#566 - 2013-02-25 06:34:50 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
but but but https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=208832
not barbie freaking at all.

Forum bars can be fun. I used to post in them all the time back when I was still active on the Cyberpunk 2020 forums.

But I have another question, (even though you haven't answerwd my last one yet,) and that is:

Why do we play video games instead of play-by-post forum games that could achieve the same end goal?
RAP ACTION HERO
#567 - 2013-02-25 06:54:27 UTC
good idea, we should do sov by post-by-post forum games

vitoc erryday

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#568 - 2013-02-25 08:38:28 UTC
Imagine opening a station that is basically Independence, USA in space!

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#569 - 2013-02-25 11:18:21 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Imagine opening a station that is basically Independence, USA in space!

Resisting... urge... to make... remarks... that will probably get me banned...
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#570 - 2013-02-25 11:38:51 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
good idea, we should do sov by post-by-post forum games

It's already here. It's called EvE reddit and Jabber.

But seriously, we play for the quality of gaming and for the immersion.

EvE is about the sandbox, not just spaceships.

It is possible to play EvE and never even once board a ship. You can still become space rich and never fire a single round or even lock a target.

WiS has so much potential for the EvE community. I want to see it in.the client, but I would understand if it became necessary to put it in a different client. If it was necessary to put it on another platform, (or mixed platforms, I refuse to buy a PS3 just for dust and I won't buy one for WiS,) then I would want some way of using my EvE character in it still. With the advent of CREST, there mist be a way of fully integrating WiS with the current EvE client.

I don't care about emotes or dancing. I love the chronicles and I love the novels. I want the level of immersion available to use to broaden and expand. I want to have a fist fight in a bar with a DUSTer, I want to broker a shady deal with a Guristas recruiter in a Caldari station to deliver a chemical weapon onto a Gallente station and frame a Caldari officer for it. I want to be able to walk into a bar, order a drink and detonate the bomb in my chest for ***** and giggles or even for a handsom payout. I want to boot up a disposable clone in a shielded space suit, walk into a derelict wreck and scavenge new parts for implants or other tech.

Please explain why this should not happen. And I will not accept that you don't want to see a bunch of idiots dancing and emoting each other in a lobby, because you would never have to see or interact with them.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#571 - 2013-02-25 16:05:19 UTC
you guys still believe that CCP does ,what you want ? ha ha ha hahahahaha


Team Avatar was nothing more then a marketing tool ,a joke and fake ideas.

R.S.I2014

Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#572 - 2013-02-25 16:13:40 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you guys still believe that CCP does ,what you want ? ha ha ha hahahahaha


Team Avatar was nothing more then a marketing tool ,a joke and fake ideas.


That, and Team Avatar was desolved a decent time ago.

There is no avatar type development (at least that has been public knowledge) unless you consider DUST at present.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#573 - 2013-02-25 16:36:59 UTC
Niveuss Nye wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you guys still believe that CCP does ,what you want ? ha ha ha hahahahaha


Team Avatar was nothing more then a marketing tool ,a joke and fake ideas.


That, and Team Avatar was desolved a decent time ago.

There is no avatar type development (at least that has been public knowledge) unless you consider DUST at present.



If something should be shelved ,it is the shooting at planets thing.

R.S.I2014

Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#574 - 2013-02-25 19:51:33 UTC
Niveuss Nye wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
you guys still believe that CCP does ,what you want ? ha ha ha hahahahaha


Team Avatar was nothing more then a marketing tool ,a joke and fake ideas.


That, and Team Avatar was desolved a decent time ago.

There is no avatar type development (at least that has been public knowledge) unless you consider DUST at present.

I still see no reason to not discuss the potential for WiS. It's been shelved. We know. Shelved is not the same as binned.

By the way, I noticed the two main posters against WiS have not addressed the 2.questions.I.posed earlier. I would greatly appreciate their feedback on them.
RAP ACTION HERO
#575 - 2013-02-25 19:55:53 UTC
a while back TA hinted at prototypes of "space hulk survival horror" gameplay and some barbie lover was all whiney about it, cus it didn't have emoting.

vitoc erryday

Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#576 - 2013-02-25 23:30:27 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
a while back TA hinted at prototypes of "space hulk survival horror" gameplay and some barbie lover was all whiney about it, cus it didn't have emoting.

You really are hung up on emoting.

Tell you what, no emoting in WiS. Problem solved?

And please, just answer the two questions.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#577 - 2013-02-26 03:31:35 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
a while back TA hinted at prototypes of "space hulk survival horror" gameplay and some barbie lover was all whiney about it, cus it didn't have emoting.

You really are hung up on emoting.

Tell you what, no emoting in WiS. Problem solved?

And please, just answer the two questions.



He can,t ,whining about emoting and barbie obsessions are the only thing they can come up with

R.S.I2014

RAP ACTION HERO
#578 - 2013-02-26 06:19:02 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
a while back TA hinted at prototypes of "space hulk survival horror" gameplay and some barbie lover was all whiney about it, cus it didn't have emoting.

You really are hung up on emoting.

Tell you what, no emoting in WiS. Problem solved?

And please, just answer the two questions.



He can,t ,whining about emoting and barbie obsessions are the only thing they can come up with

i just keep on seeing emoters want to emote dogshite suggestions?

vitoc erryday

Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#579 - 2013-02-26 06:21:24 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:


But showing commitment and deliver a little was exactly what CCP did and what created the entire WiS mess.

They applied a serious amount of development resources and delivered something that had no impact on game play what so ever.

But it did have an impact on 20% of CCP's employees.

I find it unlikely that they will show any more commitment until they have something that actually adds to the game to deliver.


Well the problem was that CCP didn't deliver, so nobody was happy with the result. Not that the idea itself was bad.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#580 - 2013-02-26 06:41:36 UTC
Ok so WiS was supplanted by DUST. We can still do this, just make it a DUST thing.

Example: Create a new type of exploration site, "Mysterious Ancient Ruin." Can't be accessed by analyzer, hacker or salvage. Instead must be "cleaned out" by DUST troops. When you find it, a window pops up: DUST contract. Offer X amount of ISK for whatever goodies they find inside. Give it a DUST version of a DED rating. It then creates a DUST instance that DUST teams who can then consider the contract fees versus the risk.

Yes, this is adding PvE content to DUST. Which just makes it more like EvE. Live with it. It could turn into PvP if someone else scans down the same site before they've completed the mission and another DUST team, hired by someone else, also comes in looking for the loot.

Whether or not the capsuleer gets that loot is dependent on the ability of the DUST team, assuming they even take the contract. So now you've got EvE ISK flowing into DUST, DUST providing unique resources back into EvE in return, and giving old "Space Hulk" fans a reason to buy DUST.

And that's just one example.

PS: And when you do this CCP, I expect a free PLEX in my hanger as a "finders fee" for this idea. Thanks.

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