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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#321 - 2012-10-20 09:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
don,t forget the ones ,who cry for change and then rage about it when it is actually changed


Seeing this on the forums all the times makes me want to punch one. There are so many people crying that before CCP does any Incarna type content they want station games fixed, the bounty system fixed, faction warfare fixed, agression mechanics fixed, ships balanced, new modules, new ships, the UI fixed, lowsec made more popular etc.

And when CCP does those things the very same people whine that they didn't do it the way they wanted, or they want CCP to put it back to the way it was before. Makes me want to head-but them.

Edit: Also, even if they have completely stopped work on it (Please don't be true) they still have near enough 100 items of clothing unreleased. They said in the CSM minutes that they had roughly 100 or so items of clothing unreleased, and that they were going to roll out about 15%. They did, we got about 20 or so new items, but where are the rest of them? Presumably waiting for the new layout for the nex store.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#322 - 2012-10-20 10:22:36 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
don,t forget the ones ,who cry for change and then rage about it when it is actually changed


*Snip*

Edit: Also, even if they have completely stopped work on it (Please don't be true) they still have near enough 100 items of clothing unreleased. They said in the CSM minutes that they had roughly 100 or so items of clothing unreleased, and that they were going to roll out about 15%. They did, we got about 20 or so new items, but where are the rest of them? Presumably waiting for the new layout for the nex store.

We just got re-colours of the old stuff, really... calling it new is, perhaps, being a little too generous... but whether the other stuff the CSM hinted at is for Nex or not, who knows.

I have a horrible feeling that 3/4 years from now they'll release it all in one go and call it 'new'... :( Call me a cynic ;)

Also, INB4 Barbie whiners, etc.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#323 - 2012-10-20 23:28:40 UTC
Hiram Alexander wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
don,t forget the ones ,who cry for change and then rage about it when it is actually changed


*Snip*

Edit: Also, even if they have completely stopped work on it (Please don't be true) they still have near enough 100 items of clothing unreleased. They said in the CSM minutes that they had roughly 100 or so items of clothing unreleased, and that they were going to roll out about 15%. They did, we got about 20 or so new items, but where are the rest of them? Presumably waiting for the new layout for the nex store.

We just got re-colours of the old stuff, really... calling it new is, perhaps, being a little too generous... but whether the other stuff the CSM hinted at is for Nex or not, who knows.

I have a horrible feeling that 3/4 years from now they'll release it all in one go and call it 'new'... :( Call me a cynic ;)

Also, INB4 Barbie whiners, etc.



there is little reason for the barbie whiners to respond in this thread,they got what they want.
too bad,but it is true

R.S.I2014
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#324 - 2012-10-23 01:39:38 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

there is little reason for the barbie whiners to respond in this thread,they got what they want.
too bad,but it is true


QFT

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2012-10-23 12:48:04 UTC
Bumping because this is more important than whining.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#326 - 2012-10-23 17:00:43 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Bumping because this is more important than whining.




No need to bump it ,CCP is not Discussing WIS anymore on the forums.
You have to go to next fanfest , to have the right to discuss WIS with a dev

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ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#327 - 2012-10-23 19:45:49 UTC
I know why the door is locked!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#328 - 2012-10-24 14:47:54 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Color me skeptical and unbelieving, when you guys actually have something to show then write a thread, you gave us your dream for years now with nothing to show but a cell.



they can,t make a thread ,they committed them selfs to Fanfest,you have to buy a ticket.
Forum discussion is for some reason over .

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#329 - 2012-10-24 14:49:19 UTC
Fanfest HERE WE COME :D

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#330 - 2012-10-24 20:45:32 UTC
It's looking like the next FanFest will be my first FanFest. Not just because of the avatar content, although that'll be nice too.

Hiram Alexander wrote:
CCP Unifex wrote:
It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space.

Then it isn't unreasonable to translate that as "Never." - Seeing as how vocal the FiS crowd is... Taking away any of their 'resources' would hardly be met with cheers of delight, let alone tolerance... and when he follows it up with -

CCP Unifex wrote:
The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

Then it only takes a look, to see that the Retribution page has zero WiS content, and therefore, TA are working (presumably) on UI enhancements, etc. and as for the "and beyond" part, I think it's fair to say that TA is gone for the next year, at least.


Or, it means that they're hoping for DUST to take off and generate some extra income, at which point they can hire more people to expand the game.

It's a gamble, but it's a realistic one. CCP has quite a to-do list in terms of cleaning up the existing game, and it will take them a significantly long time--certainly more than :18months:--to do it all even with the current staff concentrating entirely on the clean up.

Obviously it's not what anyone who wants avatar gameplay wants to hear, but CCP has to take care of the game they're shipping right now, some parts of which are maddening, buggy and archaic, or they'll lose people now. From a long-term standpoint, it's good to see them acknowledging that they don't want to bite off more than they can chew.

In fact, I hope there's an 'EVE: The Next 10 Years' plan up at CCP. 18 months, and even :18months:, is a blink of an eye in software development.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#331 - 2012-10-24 23:48:10 UTC

Hiram Alexander wrote:
CCP Unifex wrote:
It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space.

Then it isn't unreasonable to translate that as "Never." - Seeing as how vocal the FiS crowd is... Taking away any of their 'resources' would hardly be met with cheers of delight, let alone tolerance... and when he follows it up with -

CCP Unifex wrote:
The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

Then it only takes a look, to see that the Retribution page has zero WiS content, and therefore, TA are working (presumably) on UI enhancements, etc. and as for the "and beyond" part, I think it's fair to say that TA is gone for the next year, at least.


It also has nothing on the new targeting UI or cans being made by us, not NPCs. That just means any new Wis content will be small, not the main focus. But there may be more than zero.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#332 - 2012-10-25 11:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Vincent Athena wrote:

It also has nothing on the new targeting UI or cans being made by us, not NPCs. That just means any new Wis content will be small, not the main focus. But there may be more than zero.


I think that's just optimism on your part. But I hope it's true.

Having said that, they did just make a few graphic fixes to the CQ clothing etc, so I guess there could be more in the works. But in all likelihood it probably wont be anything particularly impressive.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Ghazu
#333 - 2012-10-25 13:56:03 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Bumping because this is more important than whining.

Rather bump miners.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#334 - 2012-10-25 16:50:20 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Bumping because this is more important than whining.

Rather bump miners.



Bumping a useless thread is useless

i guess ,this is the most useless thread ever made by an ccp dev

R.S.I2014
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#335 - 2012-10-25 18:05:03 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Bumping because this is more important than whining.

Rather bump miners.



Bumping a useless thread is useless

i guess ,this is the most useless thread ever made by an ccp dev




go away you salty old thing... i don't think you're feeling at all as young as your name says you like to think you are. I'm hopeful and you know what they say about hope (well, ok maybe i'm the only one who says it).. "In the darkest corner of despair lurks hope, waiting for a kill."
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#336 - 2012-10-26 02:32:29 UTC
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Bumping because this is more important than whining.

Rather bump miners.



Bumping a useless thread is useless

i guess ,this is the most useless thread ever made by an ccp dev




go away you salty old thing... i don't think you're feeling at all as young as your name says you like to think you are. I'm hopeful and you know what they say about hope (well, ok maybe i'm the only one who says it).. "In the darkest corner of despair lurks hope, waiting for a kill."



tell me then ,young one ,where does your hope come from then?

You must have found a thread here where Team Avatar is talking to the community.
Face it ,Team Avatar stopped talking,because of management or there is nothing to show for after a year of so called prototyping.

personally ,i think there is nothing to show for.
Sure they did some prototyping now and then ,but CCP,s panic mode made them do a lot of other stuff then avatars.
And that is fine with me ,but at least they could tell.

R.S.I2014
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#337 - 2012-10-27 08:16:30 UTC
^^ Sure, we may not have much reason to hope, but keeping people posting in this threads gives CCP reason to believe there are still players that want WiS. And by continuing to talk about it, and thus keep it nearer the top of the forums, we show that there is interest enough that CCP should be paying attention.

Just saying that its hopeless therefore we shouldn't post here, really isn't that helpful. Less helpful, in fact, than our not very helpful verbalization of wishful thinking.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#338 - 2012-10-27 08:22:10 UTC
Sounds good to me, keep it goingBig smile Lets manufacture implants!
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#339 - 2012-10-27 09:03:38 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
^^ Sure, we may not have much reason to hope, but keeping people posting in this threads gives CCP reason to believe there are still players that want WiS. And by continuing to talk about it, and thus keep it nearer the top of the forums, we show that there is interest enough that CCP should be paying attention.

Just saying that its hopeless therefore we shouldn't post here, really isn't that helpful. Less helpful, in fact, than our not very helpful verbalization of wishful thinking.



you can keep this thread up in the forums as much as you want.
But as the Devs stated WIS is on ice and not to be talked but to a few people at fanfest,instead of the the ones who tried to give them some ideas here on the forums.
Discussions with the devs and against some strange people with barbie addiction for almost a year and still CCP can,t come up with something.
So tell me were i can get some hope for WIS
I want that hope ,i lost it and i sure can,t find a good reason

R.S.I2014
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#340 - 2012-10-27 09:50:08 UTC
Seems to me that EVA stuff would be better done using remotes or other disposable assets (DUST Bunnies)...

Why be a demi-god with the GDP of entire worlds at your command and risk your own skin clambering around a decaying structure which might fall apart at any moment... unless you fly Minmatar of course...