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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-10-18 15:22:48 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

Really wishing you guys never even started on this Avatar stuff, if the management didn't have the sticktoiteveness to commit the money and resources to get it to working state.

The EVE community destroying any hope for the business plan that was supposed to carry WiS development ($1000 jeans) might have something to do with the lack of sticktoiteveness ....

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-10-18 15:23:30 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Although I agree there are some FiS features that need addressing before any serious effort is put into avatar based gameplay, the two at the top of my list were Bounty Hunting, and POS rework. Now that the Bounty System is being addressed (and it looks amazing, by the way), I will be looking forward to the POS upgrades, but after that I have no major concerns about Eve... So it's time for something new and exciting. It's time for station wreck exploration.

Now that we have a much large community representative team, it would be really nice if perhaps one of them could get a dev to post an update post in here? Even if it's only a "we're still working on it, but nothing worth reporting" message, I want to hear it, just so I know they are in fact still working on it.

There has been a lot of support and chatter for/about Avatar based gameplay on the forums recently, and I think its about time we heard something. Pirate



not until fanfest

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#303 - 2012-10-18 17:13:09 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Although I agree there are some FiS features that need addressing before any serious effort is put into avatar based gameplay, the two at the top of my list were Bounty Hunting, and POS rework. Now that the Bounty System is being addressed (and it looks amazing, by the way), I will be looking forward to the POS upgrades, but after that I have no major concerns about Eve... So it's time for something new and exciting. It's time for station wreck exploration.

Now that we have a much large community representative team, it would be really nice if perhaps one of them could get a dev to post an update post in here? Even if it's only a "we're still working on it, but nothing worth reporting" message, I want to hear it, just so I know they are in fact still working on it.

There has been a lot of support and chatter for/about Avatar based gameplay on the forums recently, and I think its about time we heard something. Pirate


Do want Dev response.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Becka Goldbeck
#304 - 2012-10-18 17:23:28 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

Really wishing you guys never even started on this Avatar stuff, if the management didn't have the sticktoiteveness to commit the money and resources to get it to working state.

The EVE community destroying any hope for the business plan that was supposed to carry WiS development ($1000 jeans) might have something to do with the lack of sticktoiteveness ....


Well it was practically done in 2008, then all that work was abandoned in favor of a new engine which would be used in WoD. I think that particular attitude towards micro-transactions arose afterwards. Soundwave playing LoL for a few months, or god knows where.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#305 - 2012-10-18 17:43:57 UTC
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.

So now that Team Avatar has done it`s thing, and the descision has been made to shelf
this project for a few years, what is their new name? I mean if I read this right, you are
basically saying TA has done the prototype work, we liked it but wont bother with it at
this time, so TA is moving on to other things.
Becka Goldbeck
#306 - 2012-10-18 17:49:19 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.

So now that Team Avatar has done it`s thing, and the descision has been made to shelf
this project for a few years, what is their new name? I mean if I read this right, you are
basically saying TA has done the prototype work, we liked it but wont bother with it at
this time, so TA is moving on to other things.



Yeah, it's disappointing, I can't help but think that part of the reason is to wait for hardware to catch up to their engine. Which is yet another one of their blunders, they committed to this without knowing much about the tech. CCP's track record of leaving thing left to linger and moving on to new projects is disconcerting to me when it comes to this.
Ghazu
#307 - 2012-10-19 06:48:12 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.

So now that Team Avatar has done it`s thing, and the descision has been made to shelf
this project for a few years, what is their new name? I mean if I read this right, you are
basically saying TA has done the prototype work, we liked it but wont bother with it at
this time, so TA is moving on to other things.


I thought TA's prototyping is far from done?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#308 - 2012-10-19 08:35:17 UTC
We'll see at fanfest I believe ^_^

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#309 - 2012-10-19 08:44:20 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.


yes, Dust will die even quicker than EVE did Sad

http://www.eve-search.com/search/eve%20is%20dying

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Ayumi Hinoki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#310 - 2012-10-19 11:26:29 UTC
Finally!

There's light for Walk in Stations at the end of the tunnel!
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#311 - 2012-10-19 11:50:39 UTC
Amazing to read that, hope we get some screens/video soon...
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#312 - 2012-10-19 15:21:17 UTC
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:
Amazing to read that, hope we get some screens/video soon...



TA is not allowed to show anything

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#313 - 2012-10-19 15:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
It's amazing how people can interpret this:

Quote:
The result of that planning highlighted that right now, we do not have the time or people to build this without impacting what we can deliver for our players who are flying in space. To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I’m looking at you).

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.


and turn it into:

Soulpirate wrote:
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.

So now that Team Avatar has done it`s thing, and the descision has been made to shelf
this project for a few years, what is their new name? I mean if I read this right, you are
basically saying TA has done the prototype work, we liked it but wont bother with it at
this time, so TA is moving on to other things.




I can only assume English is not your native language.

Waiting until after the DUST release is under control does not mean "a few years".

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-10-19 15:54:15 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:


I think customised suits would be cool. Particularly if it reflects what the person is carrying as well. We didn't put much thought into what customisation might be though, concentrating on the gameplay.

I personally hope that you guys will take the great work that's been done with dropsuit customization in Dust and translate that to EVE.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#315 - 2012-10-19 19:23:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
It's amazing how people can interpret this:

Quote:
The result of that planning highlighted that right now, we do not have the time or people to build this without impacting what we can deliver for our players who are flying in space. To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I’m looking at you).

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.


and turn it into:

Soulpirate wrote:
By the time this hits live servers(as if it ever really will) Dust514 will be a distant memory.

So now that Team Avatar has done it`s thing, and the descision has been made to shelf
this project for a few years, what is their new name? I mean if I read this right, you are
basically saying TA has done the prototype work, we liked it but wont bother with it at
this time, so TA is moving on to other things.




I can only assume English is not your native language.

Waiting until after the DUST release is under control does not mean "a few years".



were does it state after the DUST release?

What i make of it right now we are focusing on FIS until then WIS is remains dead

And with the FEW crybabies CCP is so afraid of ,WIS will never come


R.S.I2014
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#316 - 2012-10-19 20:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

were does it state after the DUST release?

What i make of it right now we are focusing on FIS until then WiS is remains dead

And with the FEW crybabies CCP is so afraid of ,WIS will never come


Quote:
To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I'm looking at you).


It implies that Dust is taking too much time for them to fully commit to WiS. Therefore you could presume that when its not taking up too much development time (ie after release) that they would have more ability to commit to WiS. It is just an implication, and we're just speculating, but a man can dream right?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#317 - 2012-10-20 02:26:51 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

were does it state after the DUST release?

What i make of it right now we are focusing on FIS until then WiS is remains dead

And with the FEW crybabies CCP is so afraid of ,WIS will never come


Quote:
To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I'm looking at you).


It implies that Dust is taking too much time for them to fully commit to WiS. Therefore you could presume that when its not taking up too much development time (ie after release) that they would have more ability to commit to WiS. It is just an implication, and we're just speculating, but a man can dream right?

Dream on brother. Really.

But the way I hear it, TA is done for now, they're breaking up the band. Dont forget alos they
will have to deal with the "no WiS untill you balance Dust crowd" first, all the while dealing with
the fix this, fix that, balance FiS crowd who, bercause of their passion for the game will ALWAYS
be able to find something that needs doing first.
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#318 - 2012-10-20 04:31:11 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
*snip*
Arduemont wrote:

It implies that Dust is taking too much time for them to fully commit to WiS. Therefore you could presume that when its not taking up too much development time (ie after release) that they would have more ability to commit to WiS. It is just an implication, and we're just speculating, but a man can dream right?

Dream on brother. Really.

But the way I hear it, TA is done for now, they're breaking up the band. Dont forget alos they
will have to deal with the "no WiS untill you balance Dust crowd" first, all the while dealing with
the fix this, fix that, balance FiS crowd who, bercause of their passion for the game will ALWAYS
be able to find something that needs doing first.

Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with Soulpirate. CCP appear to be being deliberately vague about their future plans, while at the same time trying not to dash the 'hopes' of the pro-avatar player base. If it's going to be another :18 months: before any real development even gets to the planning stage, they just aught to man-up, and say so...

When the 'Executive Producer of EVE Online' (CCP Unifex) tells you in an avatar thread that -

CCP Unifex wrote:
It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space.

Then it isn't unreasonable to translate that as "Never." - Seeing as how vocal the FiS crowd is... Taking away any of their 'resources' would hardly be met with cheers of delight, let alone tolerance... and when he follows it up with -

CCP Unifex wrote:
The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

Then it only takes a look, to see that the Retribution page has zero WiS content, and therefore, TA are working (presumably) on UI enhancements, etc. and as for the "and beyond" part, I think it's fair to say that TA is gone for the next year, at least.

If you can wait :6 months: 'til Fanfest, then fine, you can meet them in person and tell then everything you've already told them a hundred times on the forums, and they'll add it to their to-do list.

It's pretty clear though, that avatar-based gameplay is dead in the water for now. I wish it wasn't so, as I'm a huge fan of that particular vision, but I'm also a realist.

I'll be very surprised indeed, if any CCP Dev will come along and contradict this, with actual 'concrete' dialogue.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#319 - 2012-10-20 05:58:45 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

were does it state after the DUST release?

What i make of it right now we are focusing on FIS until then WiS is remains dead

And with the FEW crybabies CCP is so afraid of ,WIS will never come


Quote:
To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I'm looking at you).


It implies that Dust is taking too much time for them to fully commit to WiS. Therefore you could presume that when its not taking up too much development time (ie after release) that they would have more ability to commit to WiS. It is just an implication, and we're just speculating, but a man can dream right?

Dream on brother. Really.

But the way I hear it, TA is done for now, they're breaking up the band. Dont forget alos they
will have to deal with the "no WiS untill you balance Dust crowd" first, all the while dealing with
the fix this, fix that, balance FiS crowd who, bercause of their passion for the game will ALWAYS
be able to find something that needs doing first.



don,t forget the ones ,who cry for change and then rage about it when it is actually changed

R.S.I2014
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#320 - 2012-10-20 06:11:40 UTC
Color me skeptical and unbelieving, when you guys actually have something to show then write a thread, you gave us your dream for years now with nothing to show but a cell.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?