EVE General Discussion

I want The Device that does a thing in my CQ and a joystick so I can spin my ship from the balcony. There's a conveniently placed console on the railing already.

right. whatever. x.x

Apparently it used to be possible to display your own videos on the CQ monitor.
All they need is to add a broadcast station camera of some sort.

I think that was only a client side hack, replacing the video stream file in the client. Getting live video from space should be very different and problematic.

Not entirely. If you replaced all the usual files (so you wouldn't see the normal things come up on the screen) you could write a simple solution to cut a stream (such as a Twitch livestream from outside) into small video files and dynamically add them into that folder.

You would have a 5-10 second delay, but that's workable for a quick dirty solution.

The general consensus here or at least the most WiS proponents would agree on is that CCP's split attention to so many projects (projects that have minimal or no relation to Eve) caused bad release of Incarna. That is while the most "eve is only about ships" crowd prefers to blame Incarna for the lack of work on spaceship content. Derogatory "Barbies in space" is tossed around way to often if you ask me.

Why would it be another game? One universe with multiple aspects with WiS as "meaningful" avatar game with the same players. "Station games" could attain the new meaning.
Also it was said multiple times that WiS potentially can bring so much more content to Eve, since it's practically fresh start - comparing to new ships-related content which can potentially break fragile game balance. As a result WiS would add more variety to activities, it would hold new player interest for much longer than current system. As of now newcomers have to spend hefty amount of time on google digging through piles of spreadsheets, pie-charts.

Avatar content is one of the most efficient ways to get new players hooked on the game. New player retention would be the solution for 'problem' of EVE's plateau as you call it.

Right now the game is not advertised true to its game play. And when someone new downloads and installs the client lies continue with character creator. We were given such an elaborate tool to create highly detailed character for what exactly? To get dumped in a single room and convert it to a static image. Seems like such a waste.

Yes, really. Sometime reading (or at least having a lcue about what the discussion is about) the thread before jumping in cocky is usefull.

Then you'd know better as these people are mostly replying to trolls staing "EVE is only FiS" and "WiS cause players to unsub" and so on.

As well as you'd know better as the large majority of people talking in this thread is, in a way or another, firmly committed that WiS makes sense only integrated with EVE main gameplay. As well as CCP OP.

Guess what caused it? Pro-FiS trolling this thread all over the place.
But WiS w/o FiS won't survive either. And while FiS is in not in dire need of WiS to sustain as of now, some day it is going to be to late to act. All while the community is split up on the issues because everybody "pulls the blanket" on their own side.

Dust is on a different platform and the planetary bombardment part where Eve "connects" to it is rather meaningless, for the most of eve anyways. The games are separated pretty much twice - via platforms and lack of meaningful interaction. Eve characters cannot descend onto planets, Dust players hardly have effect on Eve, well, some FW.

Eve outgrew the initial narrow vision of "spaceships only" long ago (CCP Torfifrans explains it.)

Instead of developing WiS all the way split into many projects. The only way for Eve to survive through competition is to grow, and sustaining practically the same amount of subs throughout the years whereas so many popular MMOs have millions is hardly growth. It has not direct competitor yet, though some may argue that some of SC raised money is pretty much out of CCP's pockets. Game developers compete for the player-base, and Eve deserves much bigger playerbase, not as niche, "we are so pro elite-gamers-rest-mmo-suck playerbase."

What exactly did I describe? It is your problem if you see that there's no way to implement wis w/o getting intricately tied into Eve.

Eve has been a niche game for too long, doesn't mean it has to stay that way either. I am not linking Torfifrans video again - you ignored that pretty well, didn't you?
It doesn't take much to put words in somebody's mouth, does it? If you see WiS in a completely separate way from FiS, if you see it somehow splitting community in two, no matter how anyone tries to lay it out for you, you are going to see it that way. There're examples throughout the thread posted how many ppl envision WiS and how it ties into Eve w/o being separated from core game play. Feel free to read through 157 pages, except something tells me you are going to cherry-pick the negatives.
Would make no sense for CCP to do it. Might be the reason it takes 'em so long to find that "meaningful" way of implementation.

I am not advocating a new game built into the client for a new playerbase the incarna client and CQ is already there. I am just advocating that its gets some development time just like SOV, POS and starbase structures and ship rebalancing.

I agree with all of your other points which are well made. SIde projects like Dust and Valkyrie which will never pay the bills are the real threat to eve's survival. If they built those engines and game play into the existing PC/MAC client in a clever way they might stand a chance of some success, but as separate projects set in New Eden they are worthless and as far as I can see have absolutely zero future as console games.

Agreed, I would also add that If there's a split anywhere in eve that created the two camps we have today it was caused by the FIS crowd saying that eve is only about spaceships, that's like saying that Grand Theft Auto is only about stealing cars, when clearly it's evolved beyond that. The pro WIS players are actually unifiers that want everyone to get the game they want in Eve and as such as unselfish they don't mind the FIS supporters getting new ships and new space based game mechanics and deployable structures because they understand that it benefits everyone, the whole community.

If anything is going to reduce subscriber numbers in the future it's the FIS crowd's and their selfish instance that their playstyle and type of in game activity is the only way to play EVE, the one true path so to speak. It's becoming a religion for them and we all know where that leads...