EVE General Discussion

Hey ******, You really don't know how to read, do you?

I didn't say remove BMs.
I said BUILD A warp BUBBLE INTO THE GATES. There, I bolded it for you.

You warp to gate, you come out of warp at 15 and then you fly to the gate.
You get clever and warp to 100km at a BM 100 km behind the gate, you come out of warp at 15.
Bookmarks are now useless and for cheating the system so, no more system lag.

So, BM problem eliminated, and travel time between systems if fixed, because now ship speed is real factor again, instead of simply alignment.

EDIT: Yes it is a problem - makes travelling long distance trivially easy, in any type of ship....

So, how do you fix the problem of battleships, frigates and cruisers having nearly identical travel times?

Ships speed is completely irrelevant because travel time is simply based on warp speed (identical for nearly all ships) and alignment (only seconds difference between large and small ships).

Yes, is its a problem - one that fundamentally changed the game for the worse. Sure, it made it a lot easier/convenient by making the game smaller. But easier is not better, especially when it trashes game balance between ship classes.

Sure if you are at war, it would make the game a bit more difficult because it creates a PVP zone around gates....but if it scares you that much, you can easily just avoid the wardec by joining an NPC corp, so whats the problem?

Explain why travel should be hard, and you might have an effective argument.

It's a game. That's why we have teleportation spells and taxis in other games. Just because eve is the cutthroat all pvp filled-with-douchebags MMO doesn't mean simple things have to be arbitrarily difficult.

Removing WTZ won't make more fights happen. It won't make the game more balanced. It won't get you more kills. It won't force the pve'ers you stupidly hate to "adapt".

It will only make more people move to, and stay in, hi sec. And when that gets too crowded, people will quit.

And then the "pvpers" will quit because they don't have easy targets that don't fight back.

And then eve will die.

I know about interceptors and frigates. Though to be honest, even warp speed isnt a huge factor in travel time, because most of the warp time is the 'spool up and spool down' portion of the warp. Most jumps aren't large enough to mean a whole lot, unless you started slowing down battleships to near-freighter warp speeds.

Let's test your theory, we'll drop a tonne of feathers on one of your feet and a tonne of lead on the other

Travel was originally intended to take longer. Eve was larger, more vast. Only after bookmarks became abused to circumvent this it caused server issues. But its simply not right that an industrial and a mining barge can travel vast distances nearly as fast as an interceptor, because fitting for ship speed has been nearly eliminated from the equation. Doesn't matter if you fly a Vagabond or a Abaddon - you can move it between systems just as fast.

Removing WTZ doesn't make the game more 'arbitrarily difficult'. It simply makes slow ships and large ships harder to move.
If you want to make 20 jumps, fit for speed or fly an interceptor. Easy.

I'm not even approaching this from the standpoint of PVP or ganking.
I'm thinking in terms of markets. Not only should WTZ be removed to increase distances between trade hubs, I think there should also be a band of low-sec between each ''Racial' zone. Make it impossible to travel between Rens, Dodixie Amarr and Jita without going through at least one 0.4 or below system.

Would vastly improve the game as far as logistics is concerned and would create unique markets in each region as 'EZ autopilot logistics' is inihibited. Imbalances in each local region would create a much more diverse market, and richly reward traders willing to run the gauntlet between regions.

What? "EZ autopilot logistics" is already 15k off gate, how could removing WTZ "improve "logistics.


And how does making everyone go through low to get to the markets make the markets better? You trying to kill Eve completely??



Besides, anyone asking for WTZ to be removed has NEVER gone to rescue mates 30 jumps out.

This is getting a rather silly justifcation to "fix" something that ain't broke.

I know, right?

Like entirely ignoring the point that larger things can have larger engines and thus their speed CAN be the same.

And yet, in Eve I put a 100 mwd on a BS I am STILL not going to move at the same speed as a frig with a 1 mwd.

If warp speed is a "minor point" and not the issue then WHERE is the fault here?

A pimped HAC moves quick. A pimped frig is STILL faster. Doesnt matter how many equations you try to throw at it.

Because my Raven aligns as fast as my Firetail....