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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#781 - 2012-09-05 02:09:01 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well IT SURE IS LEANING TO ONE SIDE!!!Attention
Is it?
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#782 - 2012-09-05 02:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabrina Solette
Corina Jarr wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Of course CCP can fix this, by removing the CSMs and the system of elections.

"I can fix your broken leg by chopping it off."



But if a broken leg can't be fixed it might have to be removed.

A broken leg (if it is in fact only broken) can always be fixed. May need massive amounts of surgery and artificial restructure, but removal is never needed for a break.


Now the infection, thats another story.




Ok, I can see this is moving away from where it should be.

Refer to post 767 to get back on track.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#783 - 2012-09-05 02:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Corina Jarr wrote:


Now the infection, thats another story.


And I see that the infection had been in the previous CSM's ( my short sig pointed out CSM6 specifically which I copied from another persons sig) too much NULL now CSM7 has a lo sec representative that appears to be doing something for FW. Hi SEC has no one on CSM7 speaking up for them from my impression of the minutes
Also I think that the WH representative too has been a bit too static in WH's status quo IMHO. Big smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#784 - 2012-09-05 02:19:09 UTC
James315 has experience dealing with highsec mechanics, and additionally has run a successful business model that has substantial community participation.

Since people can't vote in enough highsec representatives, let's just put some in. James315, will you do this for the good of highsec?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#785 - 2012-09-05 02:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
What's wrong with "nullsec representatives" speaking on highsec issues? As I said earlier, I guarantee you they understand the issues better than the vast majority of people who actually play exclusively in highsec.

That being said I would vote for James 315.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#786 - 2012-09-05 02:20:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James315 has experience dealing with highsec mechanics, and additionally has run a successful business model that has substantial community participation.

Since people can't vote in enough highsec representatives, let's just put some in. James315, will you do this for the good of highsec?

I'd vote for him with my hisec alt.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#787 - 2012-09-05 02:20:35 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
And I see that the infection had been in the previous CSM's ( my short sig pointed out CSM6 specifically which I copied from another persons sig) too much NULL now CSM7 has a lo sec representative that appears to be doing something for FW. Hi SEC has no one on CSM7 speaking up for them from my impression of the minutes
Also I think that the WH representative too has been a bit too static in WH's status quo IMHO. Big smile
…and what issues are not being brought up?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#788 - 2012-09-05 02:21:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And I see that the infection had been in the previous CSM's ( my short sig pointed out CSM6 specifically which I copied from another persons sig) too much NULL now CSM7 has a lo sec representative that appears to be doing something for FW. Hi SEC has no one on CSM7 speaking up for them from my impression of the minutes
Also I think that the WH representative too has been a bit too static in WH's status quo IMHO. Big smile
…and what issues are not being brought up?

I can't blitz incursions all day every day for infinite money abloobloo.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#789 - 2012-09-05 02:24:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James315 has experience dealing with highsec mechanics, and additionally has run a successful business model that has substantial community participation.

Since people can't vote in enough highsec representatives, let's just put some in. James315, will you do this for the good of highsec?



LMAO, yeah right.



Good job you're not being serious, that would be the death of high-sec.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#790 - 2012-09-05 02:27:08 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Good job you're not being serious, that would be the death of high-sec.

Joke's on you, I guess.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#791 - 2012-09-05 02:29:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Good job you're not being serious, that would be the death of high-sec.

Joke's on you, I guess.


I'm sure you would guess that.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#792 - 2012-09-05 02:32:24 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James315 has experience dealing with highsec mechanics, and additionally has run a successful business model that has substantial community participation.

Since people can't vote in enough highsec representatives, let's just put some in. James315, will you do this for the good of highsec?

I'd vote for him with my hisec alt.

Yeah, me too. My highsec alt which sits in an NPC corp even. And it even hardly undocks from jita 4-4, and is all by itself on the account.

And there's a bunch of parallel-training accounts (train a character then transfer it over) that are also in NPC corps in Jita 4-4 for easy access to skillbooks and the like. I'd vote for you a lot ~~

(Obviously the rest is all for the GSF bloc candidate, wonder who that'll be.) (I should also donate to the scotch campaign fund.)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#793 - 2012-09-05 02:34:09 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:

A broken leg (if it is in fact only broken) can always be fixed. May need massive amounts of surgery and artificial restructure, but removal is never needed for a break.


Now the infection, thats another story.

Good evening, what is going on in this Thre... what?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#794 - 2012-09-05 02:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And I see that the infection had been in the previous CSM's ( my short sig pointed out CSM6 specifically which I copied from another persons sig) too much NULL now CSM7 has a lo sec representative that appears to be doing something for FW. Hi SEC has no one on CSM7 speaking up for them from my impression of the minutes
Also I think that the WH representative too has been a bit too static in WH's status quo IMHO. Big smile
…and what issues are not being brought up?


-I think some miners' representatives wouldhave brought up the easy gankability we got in Hulkageddon past and more recently in the great Gallentee Ice interdiction. I don't recall anyone breaking a sweat about it in the previous CSMs. Here it was CCP with the new ship buffs that were supporters of HI SEC ( so CCP is the defacto HI SEC representatives because the CSMdoesn't have one )not the CSM since it really has no such representation. Right now the only balance is CCP whom I often doubt does much in game playing in HI SEC ( I often wonder how much gameplay they also do in NULL especially with POS's with that UI fiasco )

-The Incursion nerf killed null & lo sec communities & decimated HI SEC communities too which I didn't see anything but cheering of in CSM7 minutes.

-They did talk about Crimewatch & new Wardeck system but from a mostly NULL SEC perspective with anotableexception about howthe mercenary contract system needed srt time expirations instead of being in perpituity

-Right now we're hearing about a proposed HI SEC nerf too to help lo sec ( I sort of like the immersive parts of the proposed NERF myself but I assume many a HI SEC Industrialist will howl about it like a few did about the increased HI SEC taxes with Inferno )

-What I really thing any HI SEC representative worth his salt should bring up is CCP Soundwaves comments in the Ten Ton Hammer interview propsing a 10% across the board cut in bounties which I don't recall CSM7discussing except maybe in the part where they were saying all EVE is space rich.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#795 - 2012-09-05 02:54:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James315 has experience dealing with highsec mechanics, and additionally has run a successful business model that has substantial community participation.

Since people can't vote in enough highsec representatives, let's just put some in. James315, will you do this for the good of highsec?

Screw you, and him.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#796 - 2012-09-05 03:04:28 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
1. I think some miners' representatives wouldhave brought up the easy gankability we got in Hulkageddon […]

2. The Incursion nerf killed null & lo sec communities & decimated HI SEC communities too which I didn't see anything but cheering of in CSM7 minutes.

3. They did talk about Crimewatch & new Wardeck system but from a mostly NULL SEC perspective.

4. Right now we're hearing about a proposed HI SEC nerf too to help lo sec […]

5. What I really thing any HI SEC representative worth his salt should bring up is CCP Soundwaves comments in the Ten Ton Hammer interview propsing a 10% across the board cut in bounties […]
1. An issue that apparently didn't need any representation.
2. This seems to suggest that more nullsec representation could be needed.
3. …and how does that differ from a highsec perspective?
4. Where are we hearing this?
5. Bounties is the life-blood of individual players across all sectors. This is not a highsec issue.

I don't see any of these requiring any special representation beyond what we already have. The two latter, in particular, are new issues afaik, so we have no idea if or how CSM is taking the players' voice to CCP yet. That only leaves the wardecs, where there is supposedly some undefined special highsec perspective…?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#797 - 2012-09-05 03:08:32 UTC
Another Idea I'd like to put out there that I believe would VASTLY INCREASE HI SEC voter turnout if there truely is an Apathy becuase they believe none of those running are for them: allow -1 votes.
Want to bet then we'd see higher tunout next CSM election? EvilTwisted
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#798 - 2012-09-05 03:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
1. I think some miners' representatives wouldhave brought up the easy gankability we got in Hulkageddon […]

1. An issue that apparently didn't need any representation.



You are totaly wrong there Tippia CCP took way too long to address the issue that is why HI SEC represention on the CSM is needed: Too bring up issues affecting consituants in a timely manner.
Instead of depending on CCP in its shell to pop up & realize there may be an issue the CSM should have a HI SEC voice
Representation delayed is representation denied for the lenght it isn't heard or seen.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#799 - 2012-09-05 03:15:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Another Idea I'd like to put out there that I believe would VASTLY INCREASE HI SEC voter turnout if there truely is an Apathy becuase they believe none of those running are for them: allow -1 votes.
Want to bet then we'd see higher tunout next CSM election? EvilTwisted


I'd run then, but seeing as how I'm the resident forum troll I'd probably end up being voted in Ugh

Also I'd show up wearing this Big smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#800 - 2012-09-05 03:17:44 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
You are totaly wrong there Tippia CCP took way too long to address the issue that is why represention on the CSM is needed: Too bring up issues affecting consituants in a timely manner.
The whining started in earnest in May; the patch when live three months later… the CSM had one meeting between the two. That's pretty darn timely.

My point is, none of the things you listed seem to require any special representation beyond what we already have.