Jita Park Speakers Corner

Yes....it must.

You're right, this CSM doesn't represent Eve. It represents the parts of Eve that care.

What do you suggest to reach out to people who join, play for a few months, and quit because it's not their type of game? What about to reach out to people who have 5 alts that they mine with to see their wallet ticking up? To people so busy grinding their ISK and not paying attention to anything that weeks or months after a balance change they are unaware of it? To people who play Eve like it's a single player game? To people who miss the huge flipping banner on the login screen asking them to vote?

Nullsec residents got their picks on the CSM because they cared about their future, interacted with others (their alliance), and someone wanted to make a change. Of course it's selfish -- all members of representative government are expected to be selfish and push their constituency's interests as much as possible.

Hisec stands very little chance of getting more than one or two candidates at the table. It is simply full of too many people who play Eve like any other game, with no dedication, no self-information, no (or very little) player interaction or organization, and no intent to get more involved in the game's life and development than I have in getting involved in Coca Cola's next branding decision. It's use then stop caring.

Whether this is because Eve is too much of a niche game, the unconventional nature of the CSM, reading being hard for people, hisec structure, or whatever else is another issue. However, it is how things are. Hisec will not be represented fairly (by population, at least) in the CSM anytime soon.

…and it is. Just look through the meeting minutes and you'll see that it gets the attention it deserves.

This whole “highsec isn't represented” myth could use a whole lot more propping up and evidence to support itself because the reality of the matter doesn't seem to coincide that well with the supposed lop-sidedness. The whole thing simply rests on the fallacy that highsec issues can only be represented by someone who only lives in highsec, when history has shown that this isn't really the case.

So, to you, FW=High sec?

This was what I was quoting FW is not null sec you are correct

And WHY isn't it? Because ccp did something wrong? Because null sec residents did something wrong?

Or, because high sec people don't give a damn and don't vote.



No they don't, if they can't be arsed to click a button and vote. They deserve exactly what they are getting (hell, not even that much IMO)

I don't care about people who want to solo or be casual or be in high sec (i'm taking a semi-break from null sec war running missions in high sec this week, real solo and casual like)........

.....So long as they understand that what they are doing basically makes them a second class citizen not experiencing the full game, we have no problem. When you play an MMO like a single player game, why do you expect it to be like a single player game? It's an mmo.

Again, I don't care how someone else plays,l until they come here and ask CCP to change the game to suit them rather than either accepting it as it is or adapting themselves to the game as it is.

My problem with the "solo, casual high sec only, no voting for the CSM" set isn't how they play (play as you like as long as you are within the eula), it's that they somehow expect the same support from ccp and in game as those of us who pay our dues in unprotected space while being social and putting in the game time to get good. The "high sec residents" sense of undeserved entitlement rivals any real world welfare queen in intensity lol.

We are talking long before rockets were any good.

I think I'd make a bad politician. I can't really tolerate nonsense.

I think one of the better analogies I've seen about the CSM is how it is like a student council. I'd futher it to an American commuter college campus where the student councils tend to be populated by Fraternity & soroity members even though they are far outnumbered in enrollment numbers.

Tippia it may not be entiely true but it is EXTREMELY close to it. CSM7 now does have a LO SEC representative ( just in time for FW expansion :) WH's do too. But I think the closest that HI SEC has had is a member of a MERC alliance ( interestingly mercenaries for inferno got a buff in the forms of contracts but it seems that it has fizzled unfortunely and needs work )