EVE General Discussion

Sentry guns in losec makes for very few small-gang (ship-size) fights. Every time I've fought on a gate in losec in a frigate, I've gotten insta-popped by the damn sentries. It's completely ********.

Just get rid of the damn gate-guns. I'm sure the various empire treasury officials will love it.

you can't expect a logical argument comming from these awful crybaby pirates who are afraid to lose their easymode. They are even trying to say this is a buff to gate camping while wet tears simultaneously gush down their cheeks.

Who's they? BTW not all us Pirates are "crybabies" and not all our fights are due to camps. Have a look for yourself. Tonight was quite fun

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17162838 (yummy)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17161887 (meh)

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17162189 (juicy!)

Nothing pleases you does it? Eve is about tact and taking advantage of opportunities my friend. we were initially roaming (not camping gates so this should please you) looking for a fight. We eventually poked around a huge battle going on with TEST involved with over 1100 people in local (and time dilation to a wonderful 30%).

We decided to head back but not before using their own bubbles to our advantage. I only posted the major kills we got as people became trapped and helpless in their poor little pods. So sad...

What I find ironic is you claim these killmails "gangbangs" when you have over a THOUSAND pilots gang banging each other less than 5 jumps over! Are you really this dense and stupid?

And how more EZ mode do you have to get with being told who to primary, alpha, rinse and repeat? How much more EZ mode is that? Please show me! These pilots get hundreds upon hundreds of kills simply by lining up and being a damned lemming.

Oh and the Malestrom. Initially they had more people yet failed to come to his aide when the hunter became the hunted. It still was a decent kill with a loot drop of over 200 mil. Not bad for a nights end.

So here. I've shown you these major points. Lets see you bullshit your way outta this one.

1. Real pvp players go TO the fights. We actively seek out targets and opportunity.

2. Real pvp players realize how horrible these changes would be simply because fights are now limited to under 5 minutes.

3. You assume every pirate is a sensor boosting lark popping whatever comes their way.

4. You assume we'd rather sit on a gate than explore the vast regions of Eve.

5. Despite evidence stated BY CCP Greyscale himself you fail to see how detrimental these changes are to players whom I quote "player skills play a factor" in.

6. With these changes you would have more of these "EZ mode kills" due to tackle frigs locking down anything that moves while having a fleet of alpha Tornado's sitting comfortably outside sentry range popping whatever and whomever comes through said gate.

7. These changes and the EZ mode kills created by such fleet comps (since now we cannot risk committing to fights due to new said sentry changes) will instead hamper Low Sec growth rather than promote it.

8. All of your counter points have tried to paint myself and others as the very people you despise. If we sought only cheap kills instead of good fights I would have wrote a thread praising CCP Greyscale instead of criticizing him.

You forgot that all your gate-camping, and general "shoot-everything-that-moves" policies. Carebears have kept well away from low-sec for ages, and will continue to do so if something isn't changed.



Thats great! Low-sec would quickly become populated by high-sec people looking to take advantage of the lack of risk! I'm sure that would bring you all back in droves.



With this change, you wouldn't be fighting on the gates anymore. People could come into low-sec with significantly decreased chances of immediate face-raping. It would be people in system, running sites or mining that you'd be looking for (or other gangs looking for the same thing). All those that have spent far too much time at gates, they'll have to adapt or fail.



Though i don't believe you would actually unsubscribe, its an unforunate truth that doing so would improve the game. You guys have been the architects of your own downfall. Low-sec is dead because you've made it a wasteland. The rewards for going there are nothing when compared to the massive risks. I think its one of, if not the biggest, reasons why high-sec players never make the natural move from high to low and null. From their perspective, certain death awaits, generally in the form of a gatecamp.

A change to gate-guns, as well as improving low-sec resources, will give rise to more people in low-sec. More people, means more targets, means more isk. Literally a win win!

People threating to unsubscribe are basicly saying "i don't know how to look for targets!"

…and that change has to do with earning potential, not with camps. Camps are just an excuse based on ignorance and widespread panic-mongering since they are 1) easy to bypass with the current mechanics, and 2) quite rare.

No. Highsec people would still be subject to the same panic-mongering, only now, it would actually be correct: the camps would be the only thing out there since there's little left for anyone else. The campers can do their thing better than before, and roaming gangs will be quite rare.

…and that's why there would be nothing left but campers. People wouldn't be able to get into lowsec since the camps have become far more powerful and since their primary predator is gone.

…or you could just do the latter since the former won't do much difference (other than, as in this case, make camps much worse).

Before acting like an idiot you should try inform yourself about the game you are criticizing.

Fighting pirates at gates is fun and you have the advantage of gate guns helping you out if you let them agress first. This is working as intended. It adds to the lowsec experience. Many of us living there have no problem with this mechanic and would not like gate guns removed.

The changes would completely remove those fights from lowsec. No pirate will ever agress at a gate unless they are put on tackling duty in an interceptor and the fleet of tornadoes are warping in to alpha the poor bastard tackled at the gate. With these changes that is all you will ever see at lowsec gates. Tackle and alpha.

I bet you don't care though because you will probably just stay in highsec running mission until you get bored and quit anyway.

signed

Boo hoo, now the pirate blobs have to work for their scraps.

Hmm, let's see what will happen... it would be funny if instead of instapopping frigates, they just instapopped everything.