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A petition to CCP Greyscale on Sentry Mechanics (Please Read)

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Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#341 - 2012-08-06 23:48:25 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#342 - 2012-08-06 23:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Wow boys, you really need to learn to take things in context.

You actually think that what he is saying is that in Low Sec, if you have a bad sec status, the Sentries will fire on you?

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#343 - 2012-08-07 00:01:17 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!



It's already been quoted by CCP Greyscale in the CSM minutes.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#344 - 2012-08-07 00:03:14 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Wow boys, you really need to learn to take things in context.

You actually think that what he is saying is that in Low Sec, if you have a bad sec status, the Sentries will fire on you?

Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Sigh.... Have you not read over fifteen pages worth of information? It could be put into that context however the MAIN concern is the gate guns being able to wipe even a Triage Carrier off the field within a mere five minutes of agression thus ending any prolonged engagements.

FYI that little tidbit was also in the minutes.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#345 - 2012-08-07 00:03:33 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!



It's already been quoted by CCP Greyscale in the CSM minutes.


Sorry Tara, I edited my post as you were responding.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#346 - 2012-08-07 00:05:43 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Wow boys, you really need to learn to take things in context.

You actually think that what he is saying is that in Low Sec, if you have a bad sec status, the Sentries will fire on you?

Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Sigh.... Have you not read over fifteen pages worth of information? It could be put into that context however the MAIN concern is the gate guns being able to wipe even a Triage Carrier off the field within a mere five minutes of agression thus ending any prolonged engagements.

FYI that little tidbit was also in the minutes.


That's not the thrust of the original post... and frankly being able to tank the gate guns in any area indefinitely is a poor mechanic to begin with.

You will get little sympathy from any "pirate" worth his salt, or anyone else for that matter.

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#347 - 2012-08-07 00:08:15 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Still waiting to see the part that I apparently missed that says that a low sec status has anything at all to do with being "Suspect".


"Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise"

That do it for ya? Criminal flag as in outlaw or gcc is his problem to clear up which I think he did.

And now would come the part I asked for... source PLEASE!

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Wow boys, you really need to learn to take things in context.

You actually think that what he is saying is that in Low Sec, if you have a bad sec status, the Sentries will fire on you?

Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Sigh.... Have you not read over fifteen pages worth of information? It could be put into that context however the MAIN concern is the gate guns being able to wipe even a Triage Carrier off the field within a mere five minutes of agression thus ending any prolonged engagements.

FYI that little tidbit was also in the minutes.


That's not the thrust of the original post... and frankly being able to tank the gate guns in any area indefinitely is a poor mechanic to begin with.

You will get little sympathy from any "pirate" worth his salt, or anyone else for that matter.


Oh Jesus.... gate guns already are "untankable" to single ships unless multiple persons share aggression... And yes that IS the thrust of the original post. The original post was clearly stating a negative change to small gang engagements off gates.

And don't give me this "pirate worth his salt etc etc" tripe. You've had multiple pirates from all backgrounds comment and agree with the points I originally outlined.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#348 - 2012-08-07 00:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Tara Read wrote:
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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible, it will increase traffic.

PVP in this game is skilless enough as it is. Oh-no, the game got a little bit harder, better cry on the forums.

Great job with this change CCP. More tears from the easymode pvp crowd please.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#349 - 2012-08-07 00:13:10 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.


You really should try to use more than 5% of that grey matter rattling around inside your head. If you had read any of the points outlined and reiterated it has little to nothing to do with "camps." If anything it would be a detriment and would encourage even more cheap tactics for others to catch prey quickly then leave.

If all you desire is sniping fleets with fast interceptor tackle to snag targets and have zero true committed engagements be my guest. You clearly are talking out your ass.
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#350 - 2012-08-07 00:15:50 UTC
And having sebo boosted inties that can insta lock and have a good chance of locking blockade runners is gonna increase traffic?
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#351 - 2012-08-07 00:16:44 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.



An example of an activity this increased traffic will partake in now that the gates and stations are all magically cleared?
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#352 - 2012-08-07 00:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Tara Read wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.


You really should try to use more than 5% of that grey matter rattling around inside your head. If you had read any of the points outlined and reiterated it has little to nothing to do with "camps." If anything it would be a detriment and would encourage even more cheap tactics for others to catch prey quickly then leave.

If all you desire is sniping fleets with fast interceptor tackle to snag targets and have zero true committed engagements be my guest. You clearly are talking out your ass.


oh, i did read your incredibly one-side and narrow minded perspective. Listen to you, defending gatecamping and crying about cheap tactics emerging. LOL. Lol

eve "pvpers" really are the dumbest of all mmorpg pvpers. Driven from games that require actual skill. About time CCP shat on you and took away your easymode kills. In other pvp games, players actually have to work for their kills, they dont just sit around waiting for victims and merely have to click 2-3 buttons with their mouse FTW.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#353 - 2012-08-07 00:23:09 UTC
Homo Jesus wrote:
An example of an activity this increased traffic will partake in now that the gates and stations are all magically cleared?

Station trading and manufacturing capitals, doubtless.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#354 - 2012-08-07 00:30:14 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
[

No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.


You really should try to use more than 5% of that grey matter rattling around inside your head. If you had read any of the points outlined and reiterated it has little to nothing to do with "camps." If anything it would be a detriment and would encourage even more cheap tactics for others to catch prey quickly then leave.

If all you desire is sniping fleets with fast interceptor tackle to snag targets and have zero true committed engagements be my guest. You clearly are talking out your ass.


oh, i did read your incredibly one-side and narrow minded perspective. Listen to you, defending gatecamping and crying about cheap tactics emerging. LOL. Lol

eve "pvpers" really are the dumbest of all mmorpg pvpers. Driven from games that require actual skill. About time CCP shat on you and took away your easymode kills. In other pvp games, players actually have to work for their kills, they dont just sit around waiting for victims and merely have to click 2-3 buttons with their mouse FTW.


I'll just sit back and see the other responses to your post. What happened did you get pissy when you were taunted in local for being an absolute idiot? I would assume as much. No need to pick apart how terrible your opinion is on the subject others can see it for themselves.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#355 - 2012-08-07 00:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Homo Jesus wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
[

No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible it will increase traffic.

More lazy, stupid EVE "pvper" tears please.



An example of an activity this increased traffic will partake in now that the gates and stations are all magically cleared?


I won't even go through a gate if I know its camped. With this change, my chances of getting through are greatly improved. Sad that it even needs explaining. Yea, i know you derpish crytard theorycrafters are trying to say its a buff to gatecamping and claim its gonna be somehow easier now because its possible for you to catch me with your interceptor. Good luck with that.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#356 - 2012-08-07 00:42:46 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I won't even go through a gate if I know its camped. With this change, my chances of getting through are greatly improved. Sad that it even needs explaining. Yea, i know you derpish crytard theorycrafters are trying to say its a buff to gatecamping and claim its gonna be somehow easier now because its possible for you to catch me with your interceptor. Good luck with that.

Hmm, for co-ordinated groups perhaps. But if the campers are used to just sitting on gate with their sensor boosters running, guns pre-fired and rushing to target anyone non-friendly that jumps through ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#357 - 2012-08-07 00:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Nerf Burger wrote:


eve "pvpers" really are the dumbest of all mmorpg pvpers. Driven from games that require actual skill. About time CCP shat on you and took away your easymode kills. In other pvp games, players actually have to work for their kills, they dont just sit around waiting for victims and merely have to click 2-3 buttons with their mouse FTW.


That's funny man.....way to stir the turd. P


And by you passing through the gates easily from A to B low sec will be revived? Cepters can't catch ya? You do know a drone or can cloud to decloak is within the rules as long as it doesn't cause lag...right?
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#358 - 2012-08-07 00:58:11 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
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No it'll make you think Sentries will hold your hand through each jump through low sec. "Livening up" low sec does not mean making it easier for you to pass through the system to your destination.


This quote highlights just how stupid some gate campers really are. Anyone that can actually think logically knows that if low sec is more accessible, it will increase traffic.

PVP in this game is skilless enough as it is. Oh-no, the game got a little bit harder, better cry on the forums.

Great job with this change CCP. More tears from the easymode pvp crowd please.



I will totally ignore the fact that this makes catching people on gates even easier but since you are clearly above my intellect, please explain to me the following:

If there is more traffic in low sec because it may become harder to stop people on gates, wouldn't the only thing this would achieve is to increase "traffic" (as in gate to gate)? Traffic that can't be interrupted. And what benefit to the game exactly would be achieved by this? Lol

There's no point debating the original post any more as it's beaten to death, but please break down your logic for me regarding your claim above.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#359 - 2012-08-07 01:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Ludi Burek wrote:
Traffic that can't be interrupted.


It can be interrupted, its just requires more effort now, and coordination, and timing. there is also a destination for that traffic, which provides opportunities for pirates other than gate camps. Not everything has to be an extreme, you derps. Oh-no, the game got a little harder Cry, better cry cry on the forums now.

Its pretty funny how you lazy gatecampers are crying about this change while simultaneously claiming that it is supposedly going to be easier to gatecamp now and are against this change. Roll

Surely CCP can see through the backwards logic of the OP and his mindless supporters who are afraid to lose their easymode "pvp".
Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#360 - 2012-08-07 01:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Whar Target
This will pretty much kill piracy in Eve. The only consistently reliable place to catch people is on the gate. Anyone with half a brain cell will be spamming DSCAN while running a site or mission in low sec, so even if you do probe them down they'll be aligning out while you are warping to them.

Basically you'll be able to catch random noobs in belts and then float in space for 15 minutes because otherwise the gate/station guns will kill you.

This game is being ruined one patch at a time..

CCP why don't you come clean and admit you are doing this to clear out pirates from faction warfare lowsec just to make sure your dust 514 launch has carebears in Eve able to travel there and participate in planetary bombardment risk free