EVE General Discussion

I call a big phat bull on your comments there. You have the cheek to talk about finalising design which tell me u dont give a **** about any of the forum posts or what any of us think and are gonna just as usual saya big FU ima put that content in anyway because i dont care about the ppl who subscribe to this game and pay my wages. Then you change the goalposts saying its an idea not a final design, make your mind up greyscale/ I havent seen anything constructive from you or your collegues in any of the threads that have appeared all over your forums regarding this idiotic and moronic idea.

The fact you are even discussing this or thinking about it show me and the rest of the player base you have no idea about any game mechanics outside of highsec. Feel free actually have some discussion with the now thousands of players talking about quitting and unsubbing if this goes thru. You can also log on to sisi and test current sentry mechnics in all subcap ships if you like but you done that before u started this stupidity didnt you?

I just think you are out of touch with the game you are breaking one patch at a time.

Angry

I have created a channel ingame for like minded individuals out there who are -10 and wanna fight our corner regarding this moronic "idea" or is it "design". Channel is called "Stop the Rot" This has the potential to be incarna sized sh1tstorm so if u agree with me and wanna tag along for the ride then join my channel. I'll be posting in channels and forums to drum up support as this debacle unfolds.


JOIN "Stop the Rot" INGAME

We always honor ransom.

And btw the changes do not really hurt the campers but everyone else. I f we can use fast frig tacklers at the gate...damn NOBODY will be save, no cloaky transport no covert ops. It harms the real pvp where two + parties slowly escalate a fight.
Camps wil just be even more organized as they are now.

Another idiot that has no clue about game mechanics and cant read. This isnt just about camping u tit its about small fleet warfare in low sec that 99% of the time takes place on gates and stations. Go read up on game mechanics and low sec before bashing the keyboard with ur club hands

Most pirates I have come across are vetrans of Eve Online and have done the null sec stuff, and get bored of ETA's and all the bull that goes with it, Being in Neg Ten suits my game style atm with my RL balance, so why would LS pirates want to go back to Null.

Dont think non pirates realise how much work goes into being successful in low sec, should try it, then form an opinion on these changes

What makes you think Carebears should ever enter Lo-Sec at all. PvE'ers yes absolutely and they do enter Lo-Sec.

If you spend time in Lo-Sec you will notice 3 things right right off the bat.

1. Most of the people in Local are not Pirates.
2. Most of the people in Lo-Sec won't attack you, they would rather go about their business.
3. Almost all non Pirates who go to on a regular basis or live in Low-Sec have assets there at their disposal.

They have friends on call. Frequently traveled systems and well used stations. They have people with Carriers to stay mobile. They drop into an area of their choosing and setup stakes. If an enemy comes more often then not they will pull back and the pirates will move on. If they start sticking around they will knock them back or pull up stakes and move to a new system. Solo PvE'ers and Explorers on the other hand are another breed you see often using backwater routes and specialized ships. They don't mind taking a lose or two because they are good enough to escape or slip through 99% of the time.

Low-Sec right now is group space. Full of PvE'ers, Pirates, Weekend PvP'ers from Hi and Null, general corporations, Anti Pirates, Solo Explorers and FW.

Why you think Carebears who by nature do not form up, share intel, are 100% risk adverse and complain everytime they lose a ship belong in PvP capable space is beyond me. EVE's so called Carebear population is lower then the forums make it out to be. The rewards of Lo-Sec are too low for the effort currently. To many small corps would rather rent space in Null then set up stakes in Lo.

In essence Lo-Sec is a place majorly for small Corporations who set themselves up not Carebears. If CCP wants to boost Lo-Sec that is who they should be catering too.

The irony of this is the mechanics are setup to neither help Lo-Sec residents and built with more then enough loop holes to allow for camping solely of solo carebears. This accomplishes no goal other then making the space less fun for PvP'ers and no PvP'ers does not just mean Pirates. More then not you are likely to see a High Sec Gang looking for Pirates to kill as well.

There is a Lo-Sec community that enjoys the space. Why nerf their fun?

Null is safer if your a part of a sov holding alliance in their own space. Small gang roaming in someone else's territory I would say was more risky, and if all the gatecampers were displaced into the fringes of null, quite a lot more risky, both for themselves and the residents.

Look at it another way - everyone wants their cake and eat it.

a) Small gangs want to operate in ls because other small gangs operate there and because of the lack of bubbles.

b) Pirate camps want to operate there because of occasional strays from high sec, HS<->null traffic and (a).

c) High sec dwellers don't want to operate there because the existence of (a) and (b) makes the risk/reward equation unfavourable.

IMO its important that c) is addressed. Its also important that (a) has somewhere to play... (b) however shouldn't whine because there are other places to camp, the whine is that if they go do it in null, they'll **** off the locals (ie no different to pissing of the empire factions). The B group want access to kill travellers in important space without repercussions from the owners of that space which makes **** all sense.

I'm not sure that the gate gun tweak is the perfect solution to this, however the sense of entitlement thats being demonstrated in wanting to be able to sit on the public transport network owned by a major faction and kill passers by is unbelievable - especially when there are areas that are not controlled by the factions.

So where exactly are we meant to catch people?
You talk of sense of entitlement, but we live in low and that is how we make our living. This will not increase traffic or get more living there or increase so called real PvP. It will make it worse for you, not better. But at the same time it will reduce our income, but without any obvious reason for it.
We will not even consider ransoming, if this change comes into effect. So more ships die and again our income is reduced.

Even if you are not renting, pets or in a large Alliance in null, it's still safer.
One could even argue it's safer that highsec. Because at least in null, you know who your enemy is in local.

Gates guns atm are a pain we deal with. We can't even benefit from drones, as they get popped way too quick. But most fights are at gates. This change will simply nerf and not improve anything.

Personally I think it will increase population. But as you say not for "real" PVP, unless something else is added as a compensation. The game could do with a non-bubble non-sov zone.

yep cause this is easier than putting out an update, official guide on pvp that you would have to maintain CCP. Yep, get on it. They will all die regardless.

That's pretty dead on other than the nerfing fun part. Any changes made that cause me to pay attention to security status will do exactly that...and I'll get it to +5 on a regular basis to go reap a whirlwind in high sec. Suicide ganks not meant to be profitable? They must mean suicide ganks (on mining barges).

If the genius that opened this can of worms is still reading move all static plexes that aren't related to stories or whatever in high sec to low sec and spread them out. If I have to explain to you why this would continue to achieve what you guys are trying to do I'd want to be paid so you'd actually value it. FW changes seem like a good step to an outsider like me so why start taking steps backwards into "more safe"? You guys were applauded for buffing something that makes you LESS SAFE!



Here is an example of a guy that thinks a sentry change would magically create something that already exists. After this change he still wouldn't go near low sec and I'll prove it to you.

I have a small low sec pocket under decent control with a level 4 agent, lucrative belts for mining and very nice exploration sites. I can provide you with an intel channel, light blue status, and a custom scarebear guide to help insure your safety. The cost is 100mil a month per character. I'll wait for all the mails to pour in from interested carebears....

The minute I tell them they need to watch local, use d-scan and report intel they think I'm ripping them off because we can never make it a 100% brainless activity like high sec and they will need to be at the keyboard 100% when in space. They don't understand they are just paying for "protection"....FROM US not every single person that enters local. Wanna pay for that? No? Why?

Ransoms? How many have you paid? 9 1/2 times out of 10 when you offer a ransom you're promptly told to F*UCK OFF. While I can understand this mindset we're not talking about a ransom mechanic being added to escrow money that only gets released when the point drops.