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Tiamet Cordova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2012-08-05 19:16:29 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.

Actualy we are too busy scratching our heads at why they can't figure out how a medium shield extender works. And I for one am rather fond of the barge changes. It should help our hulks not instantly explode the moment an assault frigate lands on grid.



a medium shield extender isnt saving a retriever from anyone other than a half assed frig zerg from a trial account.....

Retrievers are easy pops not because the pilots choose not to build them for defense against such attacks. Its because they simply dont have the ability to properly fit any real defenses other than a possible damage control in the low(thats if you skip out on a survey scanner in the mid and have the extra cpu)


the buffs to the barges were larger than needed thats for sure... but i dont think anyone can disagree that the t1 barges needed another mid slot and a hair more cpu to fit a module for some defense....


as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)


that also cancels out any cargo expanders or survey scanners. The buff helped this issue a ton and their harder to gank. The whining didnt go away it simply "shifted camps"


so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.


if you get to a belt and you get a frigate flying by every 20 min ******* with your cans... just leave and go somewhere else. "Dont be that guy" (I have) its just easier to move on and make your isk elsewhere.


Mine in a battleship you can put a strong tank on it and yield as much as any retriever can. You're also virtually immune to any solo gank. think about it (lose 3 retrievers and youve paid for a dominix) js....
or last but not least... get some friends mine together strength in numbers.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-08-05 19:34:38 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:


inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.

:)
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#223 - 2012-08-05 20:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Astroniomix wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:


inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.

:)


right, I forgot to include the blue moon factor. Good argument dude. Roll

is that really all you got? LOL.... SHlT ON!
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#224 - 2012-08-05 21:35:34 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:


inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy.

:)


right, I forgot to include the blue moon factor. Good argument dude. Roll

is that really all you got? LOL.... SHlT ON!

You realize that the whole point of this thread was to point out the fact that a large number of miners do not tank their hulks AT ALL and are therefore EASILY killable by a lone destroyer.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#225 - 2012-08-05 21:38:55 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:


as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)


What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well:

[Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u)
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Co-Processor II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


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so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.



D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins

like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Tiamet Cordova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2012-08-05 23:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiamet Cordova
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Tiamet Cordova wrote:


as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)


What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well:

[Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u)
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Co-Processor II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Quote:




so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.



D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins

like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked...


while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk.


so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk.

and you also are off about people not ganking retrievers because its not worth losing the destroyer or frigate... well people dont suicide gank for the $$.. especially high sec retriever ganks. they are done for the satisfaction of "i killed you and you just flushed 17-20 mill down the can and all i spent was 2 mill on a frigate and guns on a trial account"



so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin?


as it stands any hulk with a shield booster and damage control can survive a solo dessie gank.....


call it for what it is. The t1 barges were made paper thin because they were never intended to take a ton of damage. The oversight was that they were virtually helpless against any attack from any class of ships willing to die to gank them.
What does it take to suicide gank a retriever? 4-5 days of trial account skills and a frigate with 4 guns...POP


deep scan? remember the people crying the loudest are usually the ones who don't understand how much of their woes are self inflicted. you aren't talking about long time players crying about suicide ganks;
Im talking about the younger players with limited skill points (the kind who get into a retriever tomorrow and get ganked for the first time by some clown in a frigate who noticed you only had 3 drones(clear indicator of low overall skillpoints)

The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall




p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists)
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-08-06 15:06:39 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Tiamet Cordova wrote:


as it stands a typical retriever with trimark armor pumps in rigs damage control in low and a shield extender in its mid and a nano in its low will sit at around 3500 EHP... and will pop before concord comes to any pilot who has the same skills it would take to fit those modules (level 5 electronics and engineering)


What ur doing wrong here is mixing tanks. Try shield rigs with the shield extender and dont fit nano's when ur trying to tank with a DC because it reduces ur hull hp. u are why ppl call miners stupid. try this instead. tanks dessies quite well:

[Retriever, Retriever I2 - Tanked] - 7k ehp cause medium shield extenders are actually useful (i even picked a cheap one for u)
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Co-Processor II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Quote:




so "whats the best way to defend against ganks?" Honestly there isn't one.... all you can do is avoid the typical areas prone to getting ganked a.k.a. Systems around trade hubs and newbie areas.... Find a system without a station in it... Find a system that you will need to jump a hauler to move your ore. If the area has low traffic it will have less flippers/gankers etc.



D-scan helps. Set range to a few AU and most of what u pick up will be inbounds rather than half the system. Retrievers are ganked much less than hulks anyways, they are hardly worth the destroyers used to destroy them. Also, learn to live without the asteroid scanner. its not the end of the world if u lose 3 mins...its just 3 mins

like i said. its ur obsession with max yield at the cost of survivability that gets u ganked...


while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk.


so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk.

and you also are off about people not ganking retrievers because its not worth losing the destroyer or frigate... well people dont suicide gank for the $$.. especially high sec retriever ganks. they are done for the satisfaction of "i killed you and you just flushed 17-20 mill down the can and all i spent was 2 mill on a frigate and guns on a trial account"



so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin?


as it stands any hulk with a shield booster and damage control can survive a solo dessie gank.....


call it for what it is. The t1 barges were made paper thin because they were never intended to take a ton of damage. The oversight was that they were virtually helpless against any attack from any class of ships willing to die to gank them.
What does it take to suicide gank a retriever? 4-5 days of trial account skills and a frigate with 4 guns...POP


deep scan? remember the people crying the loudest are usually the ones who don't understand how much of their woes are self inflicted. you aren't talking about long time players crying about suicide ganks;
Im talking about the younger players with limited skill points (the kind who get into a retriever tomorrow and get ganked for the first time by some clown in a frigate who noticed you only had 3 drones(clear indicator of low overall skillpoints)

The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall




p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists)

Yea t1 barges weren't exactly well thought out. Their "defense" is that you can't salvage intact armor plates from a t1 wreck.

However, not training basic support skills on ANY character is never an acceptable excuse and is simply a terrible idea.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#228 - 2012-08-07 00:12:01 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:


while its nice to pick apart a post with "in thoery you can do this" its just not practical. The reason many retriever pilots are using mixed methods to obtain hp is because they are low in skill points. by the time most miners work their way into mining 5 and crystals they are well on their way or into a hulk.


This is also why ppl say miners are dumb. rushing into ships before u can properly fly them is dumb (like flying a retriever before u have the skills to tank is really dumb). You are right that it's theory tho...i've never been ganked. Probably because i tank and d-scan.

Quote:

so the real question is can a typical retriever pilot miner fit a coprocessor ii? no i didnt even train electronics upgrades until i could pilot a hulk.


I used a Co-pro II for my own laziness. this fit works with a T1 meta 0 Co-Pro I...if u had played around with fits rather than using 'maximum yield all the time' u'd know this. It also mines almost as much as a 'maximum yield retriever'.


Quote:

so the question is.. are you simply forced to mine with a 100% tank based fit or is there something inherently wrong with the design of the class of ship for its roles in game and dangers faced therin?


100% tank fits still get 85% of full yield...what the hell is the problem?


Quote:

The kind of pilots who render your clever but impractical "build like this oh look i made it easy for you" fit useless. sure those skills can be expected to be obtained at some point but if the answer to "how do i protect my miner from trial account suicide ganks" is: "T2 modules deepscan and rank V skills to make it all fit" then perhaps the ultra buff to the barges was warranted afterall


Skills required, beyond barge skills for that fit with T1 strip miners, are: Hull Upgrades 1, Shield Upgrades 1, Electronics Upgrades 1, Engineering 4 and Electronics 5, shield rigging 1.

This is about 5 or 6 days training...how the hell can 6 days training be too long? Only a fool would skill for T2 strip miners before Engineering and electronics 5...right?

Quote:

p.s. a dessy in tech 2 guns will melt that fit too(retrievers have quite ****** shield resists)


no it woudnt. A thrasher with; all Level V (not 14 day alt), 6% implants, rigs, T2 gyros and 7 T2 280mm arties fit with quake has a 2173 alpha (EFT)
Now forgiving that the rigs don't even fit in the thrasher and each thrasher costs way more than the retriever itself. It still takes 3 salvos to take out the retriever assuming they do EM damage against its shields and then explosive on the rest...

So it basically can't be done unless u bring help, which reduces each members share of some already poor pickings.

Even noobs with no skills can tank a couple of salvos from these over powered thrashers. More typical thrashers will need to bring help (needs 7-8 salvos assuiming good hits and that its a 0.5 system). For a retriever its not even worth the trouble.

there was more to this but apparently i can only quote 5 times. But before u say gankers dnt do it for the money, the vast majority do. The next most common motive is griefing specific people because they cry on forums or draw attention to themselves in other ways. Its rare to be the target of a completely random gank. Even hulkaggeddon isn't random and easily avoidable.

i wonder how many miners irritate people on the forums and then are completely dumbfounded when they get targetted by gankers...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#229 - 2012-08-07 05:08:41 UTC
To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears.
This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.

Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.



I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time).
Tiamet Cordova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-08-07 16:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiamet Cordova
Corina Jarr wrote:
To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears.
This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.

Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.



I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time).


you can just feel the anger with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd"
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#231 - 2012-08-07 17:27:41 UTC
Tiamet Cordova wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears.
This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.

Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.



I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time).


you can just feel the anger with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd"


i dnt know how many miners will use the skiff or mack. The fact that they've been unable to compromise yield to fit a tank before now suggests to me they'll still use Hulks over other barges and will still refuse to tank them. Bearing in mind they are reducing the shield resistances of the Hulk, its only getting easier to gank them...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#232 - 2012-08-07 17:46:34 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Tiamet Cordova wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
To be honest, many gankers don't care about Rets. Not good loot, and usually they provide less tears.
This doesn't mean they won't get hit. But Rets are dirt easy to replace. They also will be better in a couple days.

Hulks and Macks are the targets, and with so many silly miners using shield boosters only, they make for easy pickings.



I personally look forward to being able to tell people to mine in a Skiff. Meanwhile I'll be in my tanked Mack, reading a book and watching the screen (not necessarily at the same time).


you can just feel the anger with every post when people think about how the old ways of ganking barges and exhumers are gone.... Like i said before the whining hasnt stop its just "shifted from the ganked crowd to tha ganking crowd"


i dnt know how many miners will use the skiff or mack. The fact that they've been unable to compromise yield to fit a tank before now suggests to me they'll still use Hulks over other barges and will still refuse to tank them. Bearing in mind they are reducing the shield resistances of the Hulk, its only getting easier to gank them...

Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#233 - 2012-08-07 18:10:01 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:

Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.


I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#234 - 2012-08-07 18:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.


I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of.


ah yeah, just found some raw HP data. lots of extra HP's

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#235 - 2012-08-07 19:14:35 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

Everything I have read indicates that the hulk is getting an EHP buff.


I've heard reports on SiSi that it was around a max tank of 30K. That was a couple weeks ago, however. Nothing an extra 3mil Catalyst can't take care of.


ah yeah, just found some raw HP data. lots of extra HP's


Saw on Evenews24 that they have a nice little table of the raw HP with native EHP resists figured in:


Ship Total Hit Points EHP
Hulk 6000 8713
Covetor 4500 5771
Mackina 8000 11625
Retriever 6000 7691
Skiff 19625 29091
Procurer 18000 23252

So if I take the most common tanky Hulk fit as below, we show that with ALL skills to 5 you'll get 18,542 EHP. Definitely not gank proof:


[Hulk, Still Gonna Die]

3x Modulated Strip Miner II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Small Shield Extender II
Survey Scanner II

Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Now lets take a looky at a more common fit that we see everyday with an EHP of 10,246:

[Hulk, Squishy Hulk]

3x Modulated Strip Miner II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Residual Survey Scanner I

2x Mining Laser Upgrade II

2x Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.

:Holds out bucket for Miner tears:
darkenspace
Imperial AMARR White Kights
#236 - 2012-08-08 01:32:52 UTC
you know i feel what he is saying about killing miners i feel the same way when a a-10 makes a gun run get a big grin again and again
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#237 - 2012-08-08 06:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Daemon Ceed wrote:


Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.



lol, this embarrassing thread still going.Smile

your history shows that you never ganked a hulk solo in your whole career and even in .5 you need 3 guys. You only killed 16 exhumers in the month of july. Tell us some more stories about how you can gank a miner every 20 mins (but dont) and how you profit madly (but actually dont). The proof is on your pathetic killboard there. Seems like as usual, awful terribad clown-pvpers will say anything to try and make themselves not look the fools that they are. This clown even logs onto alts to praise himself. ROFL. Mommy and daddy should have really given this kid more attention.

*holds bucket out for clown-rat tears*
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#238 - 2012-08-08 06:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Astroniomix
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:


Yeah...I could take this solo in a 0.5.



lol, this embarrassing thread still going.Smile

your history shows that you never ganked a hulk solo in your whole career and even in .5 you need 3 guys. You only killed 16 exhumers in the month of july. Tell us some more stories about how you can gank a miner every 20 mins (but dont) and how you profit madly (but actually dont). The proof is on your pathetic killboard there. Seems like as usual, awful terribad clown-pvpers will say anything to try and make themselves not look the fools that they are. This clown even logs onto alts to praise himself. ROFL. Mommy and daddy should have really given this kid more attention.

*holds bucket out for clown-rat tears*

Honestly I was hoping you had been muted or something.

Anyway: after 30 seconds searching the batleclinic killboard, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16907584
Solo gank in a 0.6 With a t1 catalyst.

Barring that, the point he was making is that the posted fit could be killed solo in a .5 which is ENTIRELY true.

Also you still haven't shown us the earning potential of a highsec miner.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#239 - 2012-08-08 07:00:55 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.

WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.

Daemon Ceed wrote:


I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.


Oh hello Fabulous Rod! I see you're posting on another one of your alts. Please to meet you, again.


Point made, I make more than enough to cover my losses, meaning that a ganking campaign can be 100% sustainable. NEXT!
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#240 - 2012-08-08 07:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.

WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.

Daemon Ceed wrote:


I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.


Oh hello Fabulous Rod! I see you're posting on another one of your alts. Please to meet you, again.


Point made, I make more than enough to cover my losses, meaning that a ganking campaign can be 100% sustainable. NEXT!


oh wow, 15mil and you didn't even have to split it with 3-4 other guys. lol. its funny the pathetic loot you awful carebear pvpers are so proud of, rofl. learn 2 play, scrub, and you won't be settling for the turds miners leave behind.

BTW, thats in .5 astroderp. And where is all this money you clowns are making when you barely manage to kill 1 every other day? Seems to me like miner ganker tears are much more delicious than some random miners because they come from a deeper well of anguish. If you weren't awful and afraid of pvp you could make some real isk blowing up people who actually might have to work for their isk. Its funny that you are willing to settle for what amounts to pennies a day just so you can annoy people. Mom must be proud. Lol