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Precisely why I rarely bother checking combat-records, honey, even for "known mains."

In Alts-Online, they ultimately mean little, if anything. And Tarryn is my "co-main," not an alt in the traditional sense. On my "main-main" I have extensive PvP experience in a great many ships, in all types of EVE-space, over a great deal of time. That's not normally what Tarryn is for, and I am finding EVE PvP more and more boring of late, to be quite brutally honest. No, it's not the Drake's fault, nor any one ship's.

I don't need to check combat-records to know that you are almost certainly a null-sec alt:

Your holier-than-all mentality, combined with trying to tie OP-ness to whatever sov-warfare fleet-comps are the thing this week, plus your entitlement-mentality in thinking that your way is the only right way, and that you shall have it if you just stamp your feet enough, just scream it.

I wasn't trying to attack None ofthe Above at all, I agree with him, actually (usually, anyway). If I'd wanted to attack him, then I would have quoted him, not you.

(Again, read what I actually wrote.)

Numbers used as evidence =/= numbers being evidence when any analytical rigour is applied:

On what ships are those HML II's--all of them, CCP would have this information, though compiling it is not a job I would envy anyone--mounted?

Tengu, Drake, Caracal, Cerberus, plus any of umpty-dozen ships that can mount HMLs as a secondary weapon? Where is the breakdown for this?

Those numbers, tied in with CCPDiagoras' (I believe it's him that does that? I avoid Twitter like the blight it is, sorry 'bout that) raw numbers, those might be called actual evidence, given proper contextual breakdown.

And yes, you are appealing to authority: "I'm right because even CCP says...!" Even when they actually said nothing beyond that HML IIs are a popular weapon system. Context, we can has, pls?

Missile-combat has its limits precisely because range, target absolute velocity, and signature-radius are the only parameters that determine base-damage--further balanced/limited by time-to-target. Turret-combat may be more difficult/dynamic, but also ultimately allows more options. It's why many high-end PvP and PvE ships in the hands of experienced pilots are often gun-boats. (Machariel? Paladin? Vargur? Most Minmatar, Gallente, and pirate-faction ships? Hello?)

I'm not using hypotheticals--I'm using my own experiences, plus those of most EVE players I know and talk to, and have known/talked to over 3.5 years playing. Granted, that's not strictly correct either, as that's still anecdotal, and I should have explicitly said that that's where that came from--I do so here. (Character limits are a ***** when I get rolling)

Stop trying to ruin this game for who knows how large a proportion of its playerbase, just because you don't like something that a lot of them use, for good and sound reasons. "I don't like it, therefore no-one else should benefit from it" is not a good enough reason to nerf or buff anything. Neither is something being popular because it's an example of good game-design in a vast sea of crap--CCP is finally working on the crap, and ::nerfbat NAOW!!!:: is not the best or only way to fix things.

Unless you're dealing with blap-Titans, because those were just dumb.

I don't like bubbles, and think they're a rather comically grotesque form of overpowered easy-mode, but you don't see me crying for ::nerfbat:: And they're easily enough countered and/or avoided, anyway.

Why shouldn't Caldari missile-ships be efficient for PvE? They are not the only ships that are, or can be, by a long shot. Where is the problem here?

What you advocate will only homogenise both PvP and PvE combat even more than it already is, and that is the last thing this game needs.

When Align time rigs were rendered Useless on ALL titans (and shield titans in general were rendered shit), did they reimburse them? Nope. (By the way, at that time EVERY titan was fitted and usually rigged for align time). Now, shield titans bridge and rat, respectively.

When Motherships were turned into Supercarriers and lost their Clone bays, were they reimbursed SP? Nope.

When countless other changes occured and FotM/optimal builds changed, nobody got anything reimbursed.

When CCP changes things, they don't reimburse you. You got the use of the item. It is still useable (the rig is still expanding your cargo). So it is your choice, as always, whether another rig would be worth ripping this one out for or not.

Miners are getting an enormous boon on the top of a bigger one (drone poop removal). Why the hell are you guys still whinging?

Oh, that's great! That means my cargorigs on my Hulk are useless. Thanks alot! [sarcasm].

You want to balance the Hulk and mining barges? Then fix their defensive capabilities and pump up their powergrid and CPU! You can't tank a Mackinaw for crap willing killing your CPU grid!

Why do I feel like this is another attempt at punishing industrialists for no clear-cut reason?

Hey, don't worry. THIS hardcore industrialist isn't happy either. There go your cargorig optimization rigs. I hope at least our protection and powergrid/CPU will be improved-for ALL barges and exhumers. It's such a pain to properly tank a Mackinaw.

You know, I really wish CCP would have tested the new UI as extensively as these new ships, IF they're testing them at all! And when people tell CCP they don't want something, I really hope the devs listen this time! Otherwise, people are going to bail in droves (or maybe blow up another statue)!

I hear ya... I currently have a mackinaw that has a tank of over 12,000 EHP, with a all t1 mod/rig setup, and shield boosts from my orca. I cant use t2 stuff because of cpu restrictions, and am currently looking at implants to help take me a little farther. Gankers love mackinaws even more than hulks.

Yeah, whatever, tell it to someone who cares, troll.

I think that it will be you who will find the ultimate results of the full balancing-pass much more disappointing than me.

Next!

Fortunately, every idiot is allowed a chance to express their opinion.

You've had yours.

Next!

I'm sorry what? I just pointed out that in the past 12 months, whining from miners and HS carebears has gotten the Insurance Nerf, the Drone Poop nerf, the CONCORD buff, and now new improved mining barges. (I was all for several of those, btw).

Ganking you is more expensive, you're making more isk, you're going to have new toys, and you're whinging that your rigs will have less function. And the other guy is whinging because, despite being given a dedicated tanky mining ship, the Hulk doesn't have the tank of a Dreadnaught. There is seriously no pleasing you lot.

I don't mine because I don't enjoy it. I don't give a rats how much it makes, I just don't enjoy it.

Because it's an official profession in EvE, I've always wanted to see its income buffed (Drone poo nerf). But, now that it's been buffed, the amount of complaining about shit that's an integral part of the game you lot signed up to play, I say bring back the drone poo and t1 drops, and double their refinery output.

(And you're not being forced to destroy anything. You're making a choice based off of changing utility.)

I want CCP to punish PvPers the way they punish miners. We want this type of punishment.

How is giving you 5 new valid choices in your deck-o-mining boats a punishment? Dear god.

A good thing, else you'd have been perma-banned years ago.