EVE General Discussion

Would take 5+ years. Even if you get lucky with X-Type drops.



Haven't lost any of my cloakies or interceptors yet.

aaahh so what seems off here? You complain that you need to spend 1 battleship to protect a few miners and work in a group, while complaining that alliances have tech moons with huge income.. that you cannot get exaclty because they are not lazy as you and use a LOT of people and resources to protect them?


Read your own sentences and perceive how you defeated yourself!




On my view concord is even too fast already. The only thing I thing Would need adjustment is that the criminal countdown should be longer when concord kills you and you should get a bit more drawbacks from being a criminal in high sec. ONLY that. The protection is more than OK nowadays. Just the consequences might be a bit on soft side.



This whining on miner ganking is becoming pathetic really. Want high sec too dangerous? get into a real corp and go low sec..

Nobody has to do anything. He can mine in whatever thing he wants. The risk tables have simply changed.

One way to mitigate the risk is to pay attention to D-Scan/Local
Another way is to mine aligned
Another way is to mine aligned with Webs
Another way is to mine in a Rokh
Another way is to tank your shit
Another way is to tank your shit with logi
Another way is to mine in a quiet LS system
Another way is to mine in Null
Another way is to mine in mission pockets
Another way is to mine in Grav sites
Another way is to mine in a Covetor and expect some losses
Another way is to mine in a Wormhole

There are 12 ways to mitigate the risk of getting ganked right there. A Dozen. Off the top of my freaking head. All of them are simple to implement and fairly effective. Miners aren't being persecuted, they're just too stupid and lazy to keep themselves alive.

All of these are options in a game about player agency. You can do whatever you want and so can anyone else. We have been offering up OPTIONS for the past MONTH for players who wish to mine to mine more safely in HS. Every time, the miners CHOOSE to spend time whining that the option takes effort or reduces yield instead of DOING something to reduce the risk of being ganked.

If you call logging in to mine "Tedium;" WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LOGGING IN TO MINE?

Anyway, before you blurf about "I'm not a miner, I just play one on TV so I can talk about it," I really don't give a flying what you do. You've positioned yourself as speaking for the miners, and I'm speaking back at them. Pronouns aimed at you are simply easier.

Suggesting someone has to biomass to train skills other than mining? LOLWUT?

It takes 20+ seconds to target destroyer. Gank is over before BS pilot gets destroyer locked. Ganker warps around happily ganking rest of miners in op.

Mining in Null earns about 60m/toon/hr. Ratting in Null earns a little more, but call it the same.

90billion (a fit and rigged Titan) divided by 100 people is million per person. 900 million divided by 60million is 15 hours.

If you can't play more than 15 hours in 5 years, why are you still subbed?

(If you mined it up solo, that's 1500 hours. Assuming 10h a week (an hour and a half a day, pretty casual) that's still only 3 years.

Battleships are good for things aside from shooting things.

Try something that I suggested that you pooh poohed as ::effort:: Use a Rokh to Rep tanked Hulks. Nobody's going to bother killing a Hulk that takes 12 destroyers or 4 tornadoes to kill.

One system with upgrades can support any number of miners and about 15-20 ratters (assume ratters are not on 23/7, for miners it doesn't matter). With 2* systems and 100 people working together (assume 8 hours a day), you can buy a Titan every other day. Or a super about 4 times a day.

If you don't like 8 hours a day, take 1.5 hours a day, that's a Titan every 10 days or a super every other day (or so).

If you lose a ship in Null while ratting or mining, you're bad and you should feel bad.

*Since the Hidden Belt buff and the Drone poo nerf, mining and ratting have started to approach parity for income, so you could also do this all in one system.

Well shoot my bricks and jam my britches, I though you were OK with the *occasional* gank, given that you have logged in to a game that explicitly endorses such behavior. I thought the problem was the constant stream of them from HAG.

Why wouldn't a miner sit in a Healing Bat? It's no less interesting than mining.

Anyway, if you don't like that method of reducing your exposure to risk, pick one of the other 11 that I listed.

Sure and part of your suggestions are non functional to mediate between changed risk tables and a decent desire to do menial stuff without committing like a guy whose name begins with "A", in a Mega in Amamake.

Some of the "options" are just impractical. Game needs huge amounts of low ends and your "go mine in WH" won't work on a game wide scale.
The "go mine to null" is just getting at 90 degrees and getting butt drilled, because you have to give up and OBEY to the zerg overlords whose agenda is exactly to get more drones to do their work in 0.0. If anything low sec is better. At least there's no saccent overminds telling you what you are MEANT to do in this oh-so-sandbox.

I have been invited in grav sites, they ALWAYS had an average of 3 probers a day get there in a cloakie and then try warp in gank ships. Still it's possibly one of the best choices along with missions pockets. Mission pockets are super for hi sec mining since they have some tasty features.

Neither of the above is viable to someone with some limited amount of time though. Nor is the logistics thing, I am sure that some very trivial math could reveal mining in a battleship is FAR more cost effective and can be done by somebody with limited time.




You TOOK AWAY options for the past month. You imposed YOUR options. Tell things straight.
The past options were stupid? OK, but don't say you did not take them away, because you did.




I have no idea, but many people want to pay to do it and nowhere they signed they had to stay online for a minimum amount of hours in order to play hard core enough, organize logistics possibly in another sec 10 jumps away and whatever.

In the end the only options you give is to have to buy 2 accounts (max tank Hulk / battleship hold little so need hauler / need 2 accounts for logistic if you obviously won't find an idiot to sit there repping you...). This is also not a clause to be found when a player subs to EvE.

Basically this grand initiative is adding tedium, RL cost and inconvenience. That's some great achievement.

that is an interestign concept that might be worth writing in more details and presenting at the correct suggestion forums. WOudl be a niec idea to forego concord rights to get selleble kill rights on gankers for like 1 week :)