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why don't minerbears just fly with logi?
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#81 - 2012-05-31 08:51:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Why do you mine? I don't know. That's your call.

If you want a Tech moon, go take it. Dotlan's got them pretty well mapped out.


Yeah, very easy task to take moon from Goons or PL when they have supercap gatecamps everywhere.


Oh, you want your income to be Risk Free and Effort Free. Sorry, there are no cheat codes for EvE.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-05-31 08:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
Oh, you want your income to be Risk Free and Effort Free. Sorry, there are no cheat codes for EvE.


Big deep nullsec alliances use cheats all the time. Those cheats are called super capitals. Since there's no shortage of minerals in deep nullsec they can use those as throwaway ships. Check the video I linked earlier.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#83 - 2012-05-31 09:01:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Oh, you want your income to be Risk Free and Effort Free. Sorry, there are no cheat codes for EvE.


Big deep nullsec alliances use cheats all the time. Those cheats are called super capitals. Since there's no shortage of minerals in deep nullsec they can use those as throwaway ships. Check the video I linked earlier.


Yeah, you understand how this game works completely Roll.

Supercaps take months to build and Billions of Isk. The minerals involved are pretty universally imported from HS (except in drone regions, but that's been changed).

That video is not an example of throwing ships away, it's an example of destroying an enemy fleet in a spectacular and efficient way.

Besides all that, those ships take an enormous amount of Effort to produce and field effectively. So they're not Effort Free, they're not Risk Free, thus they're not cheats. They were OP, but that's why CCP's been nerfbatting them so hard recently.


Put enough effort into the game and you too can own a Supercap. But again, you want your income to be effort free and risk free, and that is anathema to EvE.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-05-31 09:42:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Put enough effort into the game and you too can own a Supercap. But again, you want your income to be effort free and risk free, and that is anathema to EvE.


Can you name even one small alliance that owns supercap? Yeah, just as I thought.
Like you said building one requires a lot of minerals. Just not going to happen to small alliances (<1000 members).
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#85 - 2012-05-31 09:42:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Give me an holler once you found out how you RR a mack.

I guess your answer is to ice mine in a Rokh.


Hulks can mine Ice. Hulks can be tanked and RRed.


So, what are Macks in game for?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#86 - 2012-05-31 09:59:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Anyway, I suggested that you have one of your corpmates (the guys you mine with) switch to a healing bat (Rokh with shield reps). Tah Dah.


20 mil / hour / logi

That will cut in profits if all minerals are used to build ships for sale.


Never said protection is free.


Let me guess.

- Pay a guy 20M per Hulk
- Miner goes to sell his junk at Jita: Trit at 14 ISK pu, Pyerite at 19.

What he finds are sell orders for 8 and 10 ISK pu because somebody else imported it from other sec....


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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#87 - 2012-05-31 10:01:57 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Suqq Madiq wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Because working with other players defeats the purpose of playing an MMO (massively multiplayer online) game


this game is a sanbox!


and I'm free to kick over sandcastles.


Says the guy with exactly ZERO Mining Barge or Exhumer kills.


who the hell suicide ganks on a main???


Scared to show off everyone you are basically a c_nt?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#88 - 2012-05-31 10:03:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Give me an holler once you found out how you RR a mack.

I guess your answer is to ice mine in a Rokh.


Hulks can mine Ice. Hulks can be tanked and RRed.


So, what are Macks in game for?



To mine Ice better at the expense of a complete inability to tank.

Every benefit has a cost.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#89 - 2012-05-31 10:05:02 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Put enough effort into the game and you too can own a Supercap. But again, you want your income to be effort free and risk free, and that is anathema to EvE.


Can you name even one small alliance that owns supercap? Yeah, just as I thought.
Like you said building one requires a lot of minerals. Just not going to happen to small alliances (<1000 members).


Yeah, there are tons of small alliances with Supers. There not all that expensive.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#90 - 2012-05-31 10:06:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Anyway, I suggested that you have one of your corpmates (the guys you mine with) switch to a healing bat (Rokh with shield reps). Tah Dah.


20 mil / hour / logi

That will cut in profits if all minerals are used to build ships for sale.


Never said protection is free.


Let me guess.

- Pay a guy 20M per Hulk
- Miner goes to sell his junk at Jita: Trit at 14 ISK pu, Pyerite at 19.

What he finds are sell orders for 8 and 10 ISK pu because somebody else imported it from other sec....




If the reward you get for some activity is unacceptable for the risk or effort it takes, don't do that activity.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-05-31 10:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
Yeah, there are tons of small alliances with Supers. There not all that expensive.


60/90 billion is pocket money for everyone.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#92 - 2012-05-31 10:10:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Give me an holler once you found out how you RR a mack.

I guess your answer is to ice mine in a Rokh.


Hulks can mine Ice. Hulks can be tanked and RRed.


So, what are Macks in game for?



To mine Ice better at the expense of a complete inability to tank.

Every benefit has a cost.


And since perma-geddon is perma, what's the benefit since there's only cost?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#93 - 2012-05-31 10:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Anyway, I suggested that you have one of your corpmates (the guys you mine with) switch to a healing bat (Rokh with shield reps). Tah Dah.


20 mil / hour / logi

That will cut in profits if all minerals are used to build ships for sale.


Never said protection is free.


Let me guess.

- Pay a guy 20M per Hulk
- Miner goes to sell his junk at Jita: Trit at 14 ISK pu, Pyerite at 19.

What he finds are sell orders for 8 and 10 ISK pu because somebody else imported it from other sec....




If the reward you get for some activity is unacceptable for the risk or effort it takes, don't do that activity.


And this want meant to be and heavily advertised as sandbox? With butterfly effect showing the lil guy changing the universe in a rifter and everything?

Players sure understand being affected by others' castles and even getting theirs stomped some times.

But this is downright OBEY AND DO WHAT WE DEMAND.
No, actually it's subtler: "Feel free to try play the game different than how we demand. You'll get ROFLstomped in the process but that's freedom for you".

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Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#94 - 2012-05-31 10:12:46 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Large Marg wrote:
The mindless rambling of the Goon Goobers is only that. Mindless.

They are more then likely the same people who go to protest waving the anarchist banner.
They are there to only stir the pot and nothing more.



Anarchists are stupid.

So are you.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/Shaunessy/Anarchy.jpg You are stupid.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#95 - 2012-05-31 10:16:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And this want meant to be and heavily advertised as sandbox? With butterfly effect showing the lil guy changing the universe in a rifter and everything?
He didn't think the risk was unacceptable.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#96 - 2012-05-31 10:21:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Yeah, there are tons of small alliances with Supers. There not all that expensive.


60/90 billion is pocket money for everyone.


No, but it's fairly easy to get if you have a hundred people working for it.

You said that no small alliances have supers. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#97 - 2012-05-31 10:23:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
And this want meant to be and heavily advertised as sandbox? With butterfly effect showing the lil guy changing the universe in a rifter and everything?
He didn't think the risk was unacceptable.


It's not about risk.

Today I am risking 17 billions in an investment and I am totally OK with it. Investments in EvE are vastly less safe than mining in low sec.

But it's about the tedium. Imagine a guy who just wants to / can login for 30 minutes before dinner and wants to dig a rock for his reasons.

Now he's supposed to hire a logistic pilot who will actually stick there for 30 minutes?
Please sent me the email of such a moron, I want to make him mow my lawn.

And at the end his prices will not be competitive at all. First he lost yield because he had to def-tard-tank his ship, then he loses more because he has basically to feed 2 people with the income of 1.

This is not about risk, this is a stupid scenario that won't happen.

Ah, of course the guy is free to biomass, reroll another pilot with combat stats and go shoot people around. Because he is paying a sub to obey to some unknown pr!cks who decided today you will dance to the right and tomorrow to the left.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#98 - 2012-05-31 10:23:53 UTC
Alpha > Rep.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#99 - 2012-05-31 10:25:23 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Give me an holler once you found out how you RR a mack.

I guess your answer is to ice mine in a Rokh.


Hulks can mine Ice. Hulks can be tanked and RRed.


So, what are Macks in game for?



To mine Ice better at the expense of a complete inability to tank.

Every benefit has a cost.


And since perma-geddon is perma, what's the benefit since there's only cost?


The benefit is that you mine Ice better. If that benefit doesn't outweigh the cost of not being able to tank in your situation, don't use the ship. Very simple.

So far as I understand, most miners are people who have free will and the capacity to change their behavior (what ship you undock in is a behavior), so I don't see why they're having so much trouble with the idea that it may not be a good idea to be sitting in a belt when you have a bounty on your head.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Velicitia
XS Tech
#100 - 2012-05-31 10:26:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Give me an holler once you found out how you RR a mack.

I guess your answer is to ice mine in a Rokh.


Hulks can mine Ice. Hulks can be tanked and RRed.


So, what are Macks in game for?



mining in low/null where you actually have a chance of keeping an eye on things so you don't get blapped?

seriously, T2 ships in hisec are just easy targets.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia