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Then just jam something in the keyboard & afk cloaky's can continue business as usual!

do you see this notice on other players as well or just yourself
also cloaking is fine

Only noticed it myself, and only in the client log(through ctrl-alt-shift-m), how ever, it indicates that the do track this, and have a state for it that they are deliberately not sharing.

And yes, cloaking is fine.

1. If you are worried about ''server load'' or ''system load'' then why aren't you worried about CCP's web servers having to serve your digital crap threads that don't even look like they are composed by someone competent enough to play EVE let alone ***** about what is wrong with it.

2. CCP can't get rid of macros, botters, whatever you want to call it. Someone will always do it, someone will always write another program or find some sort of exploit --- But to think that somewhere in your little head lies the answer to a problem that has plagued EVE Online and CCP for years... That is a bit ******** when you consider they probably have hundreds of people working on every part of the game, including security and how to stop current macros and bots and be ready to spot new ways people are doing it. What, you thought they don't employ these kinds of people?

3. You aren't going to get rid of botters/macros/hackers/cheaters or whatever else you want to call them. It isn't happening. Why? There is always another proxy server, there is always a new exploit every time you update your purdy lil game, and there are always young and eager coders out there waiting to see what they can achieve with their skills and even worse, those who will pay to get a working program to have that extra edge in game. Also, you can't prove someone is botting in the first place if all this is nothing more than ''oh you did action A, B, C, and D. You must be a bot.''. People have schedules and sometimes play at the same times every day, some don't want anything to do with anyone else in the game and just want to be left alone and have their fun doing whatever, and no they don't feel the need to speak to you in local, private, or mail. And the same actions a bot or a macro would take if engaged by a player would probably be the same **** a person would do, I.E. warp off to a station and dock up to safety, warp somewhere else, or log off. If you were a miner wouldn't you save your **** too? Thought so.

Sure you can do whatever, ban people, spy on their accounts, track them, look through all their stuff. In the end you are probably going to alienate more users who are actually not using bots than actually reducing the bot population. Team that with all of these crap ''expansions'' that continually need patch after patch after patch and this could end up a pretty hollow community. WoW and EVE won't be the only half-way decent MMO's forever, there will be others.

Be that as it may, Dawn, I am pretty sure that those working on all of these projects, where relevant, keep in mind security and making it more difficult to use macros/bots if possible so long as it doesn't mean compromising the game itself to where it is no longer enjoyable to play I.E. Captchas every 30 minutes in game or else you get logged out, etc..

This is the same as any other business ensuring that its employees understand the importance of customers not being allowed to simply ''walk off'' with product and not pay for it --- Like people who bot. Unless they practice business entirely different then they do in most places modern places in the world then it would make complete sense for one to assume that memorandums are sent out as reminders and as new information is collectively gathered as well as meetings etc, etc..

You would be very narrow-minded to think that an international company wouldn't be concerned about this to some extent and do the same things small family run businesses do right on up to top businesses. Are you saying something about CCP in that merely 3 people are the only force that even thinks or tries to help security in EVE Online in relation to botting/macros? Someone had to put those 3 people you mentioned in their position did they not? Which leads me to believe there is at least a 4th person who does something to try to ensure that bots and macros are not used in the game. You would be a fool to think that if upper or middle management was so concerned about this that only 3 people in the entire company worry about this or try to help in this matter actively as part of their normal day-to-day job - Just because 3 individuals are specifically given a specific positions to solely work on this or have it listed that this is part of their duties among other things is in a way to show us the consumer that something is being done about it instead of saying nothing. Or did they mess up and it would have been better if they never said they had anyone appointed in any capacity to address this?

And last time I checked they had 600 +/- employees and that was years ago. Now they have DUST, WOD, and EVE on top of those two little pet projects that simply dwarfs them entirely. Plus all of the related **** that goes without saying and keeps most of this spinning - The GMs, IT Techs, Customer Support, etc..

If I wanted to justify botting I would do so. What I was saying in the post, clearly, is that you cannot stop it, you will only delay it, period. Let me make it simple for you - CCP can't even manage to release an expansion that works how it should, let alone fix bugs and improve small things most other games don't let get released because they actually fix the **** or make sure it is done correctly the first time with the end result being what they want put out on the market. And you think that they can handle botting or macro users? Well I don't, and I spoke my mind whilst considering the aforementioned and many other things.

In fact, it completely eludes me why they don't STOP putting new stuff into the game and START fixing everything that is wrong with the game, broke, etc. STOP adding new ****, START fixing **** that has been around for years.

Think of it this way - If you stack **** on top of ****, what do you have? A big pile of ****. Stop stacking **** CCP. You can't tell me there are errors in the game that haven't been fixed or are solely related to the newest expansion and not a previous one where the bug, exploit, or whatever is screwed up and was simply forgotten or wasn't more important than a new ship in the game with its own sets of problems it could potentially create considering every time you release something new ITS ALWAYS FRAKKED UP and you have to release multiple patches to fix it because you DON'T test it or DON'T test it extensively enough period.

Great ideas.

Love it!

I'll take that one. It takes me about 3 mins to get a full rundown on how many towers/ships are in a hostile WH without using probes. With a long range probe or two, it's less then 20 seconds usually.

Well placed bubbles always make a mining op safer out in nullsec.

Actually, the AFK tag isn't a bad idea, other than the fact that it is easily circumvented.