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CCP please fix your images they crash the dev blog pages as the browsers seem to load them at full size.


Anyway.....

First, I dont want to have to train 5 different bc's to 5 again so i can fly my command ships, especially when i own one from each race. Doing so just screws over the vets who trained all this stuff to 5. So you really need to think long and hard about how you are going to gives us all skill points so that they are all trained to 5.

Next - the charts make it look like capitals have a lower barrier of entry. BAD! BAD CCP! no cookies for you. If anything capitals need a steeper barrier of entry.

I'm flying already all BC, BS from 3 faction and all hacs regulary. It would be awful to start training again and to me a reason not to play eve.

The only thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is to fly a battlecruiser (essentially a bigger cruiser) requires the cruiser skill. so why shouldn't a recon (essentially a bigger covert op) require covert op skills?

Of course, this is just how I view the ship progression in eve. Maybe it's because I grew up with the current system >.>

Any general skillbooks that you make racial (i.e., Destroyer, Battlecruiser, etc.) had better be refunded at 4 times the skillpoints so that current pilots can immediately train the racial equivalent of each ship to previous levels. Failure to do so will create severe disruptions for 0.0 pilots who fly different races of such ships. Failure to do so would also be unfair to pilots who trained those skills to level V expressly because they were so versatile.

This is going to be controversial.

First, I will say that the proposed changes sound really great. The more I think about it the better it feels like it will be. Taking away tiers is a very good idea. You'l have to bear in mind the mineral composition of each ship because if you make something that was a very low tier really really good, then no one will buy anything else, because with a lower mineral composition it will cost less to buy.

Im sure I dont have to say this, but CCP is going to need to be very very careful with the skills. If you stop people from being able to fly ships that they can already fly (and probably love to play), then your going to have an uprising. In the same way, if you make it so people who have spent a great deal of time training for optimal use of a certain ship are now crap with it, you'l get the same effect.

Long and Short of it; Like the sound of the changes to ships, but be very very careful when playing with people's skills.

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In eve, decisions you make with skills are supposed to carry with you.

I have made a point of not training Yak into Capital ships. I have instead cross trained into all subcap combat ships. This was a decision I took when I first started playing 95m SP ago.

This change feels like I am being punished for actually planning ahead with my character. While I agree a simplified tree would be nice, but it doesn't change the fact I have a potentially large number of skills I need to train in order to be able to use the current ships I do at the efficiency level I do. (so no I would not consider giving me the racial skills to IV + all the SP from BC V as a "win")

There is a growing trend of these mini respecs, disguised in different clothes, but respecs none the less.

Learning skills - was a respec
Social skills - respec
This change - respec


I think it's time you just bite the bullet and push all changes of this type that could appear in the future in one go and give a respec rather than giving everyone a respec over time in drips and drabs.

Yeah. Ignoring the class size tiers, the current system did make sense. Doesn't mean it should stay that way though.

No. Just no.

Carriers with battleship 4?

No.

This or some version of this {BC V + Cruiser V} should be 100% the way to go.

However, I understand that CCP may balk at giving everyone an effective 8 million free SP (i.e. I train BC V and the effective Cruiser V now -> I get all four racial skills down the road). So what I suggest is a further rebalancing of the rank of the effective ship skills.

Currently, BCs are a Rank 6 skill (1.56m SP) and cruisers are Rank 5 (1.28m). To fly all cruisers and BCs perfectly thus costs 6.68m SP. But what if we lower the requirements?

Cruisers = Rank 3 (768k SP)
Racial BCs = Rank 4 (1024k SP)

To fly everything perfectly would now take just over 7m SP, meaning the difference is just over a week of training. Of course, CCP could always credit us that little bit extra if they like

Under this system, the change would take place as follows:

1)Refund everyone the difference for every cruiser skill. Your old Amarr Cruiser V skill would change to Rank 3 and you'd get 512k free SP in the bargain;

2)Delete the old BC skill; your BC V is worth 1.56m free SP;

3)Implement the new racial BC skills at 1024k each.

Example: I currently have Amarr Cruiser V, Caldari Cruiser V and BC IV. The change gives me 1m free SP from the lowered rank of the cruisers + 271k SP from the deleted BC skill. I could then spend 1.024m SP on a single Racial BC V and have 271k left over, spend 450k SP on two BC IVs and have about 800k left over, or go do something else - it's my call.

Most people would be slightly better off than they are now while heavy crosstrainers would be slightly worse off, but no one would be badly nerfed like many cruiser specialists would be under the current proposal.

Destroyer specialists are a little tougher because frigates are Rank 1 and can't be lowered further, but not hugely so. If CCP refunds the destroyer skill at rank 2, then makes the new racial destroyer skill rank 1, 4 race crosstrainers would be out 3 weeks of training time, which isn't horrific. Ideally, CCP would refund the existing destroyer skill as if it were rank 3, saving us a bit of pain, but I'd be willing to live without that.

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Under this plan, the most free SP anyone could get is just over 4 million. These players would then have to retrain about 8m skillpoints' worth of ships - again, bad but not horrific. Anyone that specialized in 1 or 2 races, though, would actually be better off.

The price would be lowering the time it takes to fly a t1 cruiser. I submit that this is not a huge loss for Eve Online.

please upvote if you like this, tia