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lemme get this straight....... (I know this is still in the works but I'll treat this as what is in the devblog is going live right now)

1) I spent ~30 days training Battlecruiser 5 (thats $15-17 dollars btw). Now you want to split it up and make me train 4 seperate battlecruiser skills to fly ships I can already fly? The only way this is acceptable is if I get every sp reimbursed and the 4 racial battlecruiser skills take up NO MORE sp than the vanilla battlecruiser skill.

2) I think I've heard my fill of bitching about the proliferation of capitals, super and normal, in this game enough to think that the idea of reducing said requirement of racial battleship 5 from level 5 to 4 would imply the person behind that idea is either insane, or has a number of bot accounts needing capitals.

just checking to make sure i heard things right....

WOW... GREAT NEWS!!!

Yay putting out devblogs so we have all our talking points in a row for fanfest.

Keep them coming so you will have answers for us when we storm the castle in 2 weeks.

People need to stop freaking about the skill change and just read this. The devs realize how many skill points this could set people back, and should be able to reimburse properly. I'm sure there's someone on the team who's good enough at some math to figure out an algorithm to get everyone set straight on skills. Plus like they said nothing is set in stone.

Great Devbolg Ytterbium, really looking forward to how the changes end up working out.

An easy way to do it would be to put BC V people at racial BCs IV and BC IV people at racial BCs III etc.


Looking forward to the tiericide.

Changing skill requirements, Yes. Being able to train for, for instance, recons without having to train for covert ops first. That I can agree with.

Changing skill progression, NO. One of the appealing aspects of training for ships was that once I'd trained racial frigate and destroyers, I'd get access to ANOTHER race worth of destroyers, for free, once I trained up the racial frigate.

With these changes, you'll raise the bar for crosstraining further, to a point where it is even more daunting for new players to crosstrain, and makes it even more difficult for them to find useful roles.

Take a new PVPer, for instance. By training caldari and minmatar frigate, caldari and minmatar cruiser, plus battlecruiser, the player would have access to tackling frigates, t1 cruisers including ospreys, blackbirds, stabbers and ruptures, as well as two excellent and newbie friendly battlecruiser hulls, namely hurricanes and drakes. All this from a total of five skills.

With the changes, the same new player would now be forced to train eight skills, raising the bar for skilltraining by 75% and making it more difficult to find useful roles. The incentive to crosstrain would be largely eliminated, as it'd take almost as long to train for a single race's battlecruisers as two races under the current scheme.

Ship tiers: If ship tiers force you into balancing issues, you're looking at the problem in a completely wrong way. The ship tiers should not limit your balancing efforts. Don't make the mistake in thinking that a higher tier "must be better". That's not necessarily so. If anything, tiers should serve as a guideline for the general roles a certain group of ships have, for instance that all ships within a tier are designed as high DPS active tanking platforms, another tier being medium DPS buffer platforms etc, but not that they should be "better" than the previous tier.

poasting in an epic whine thread.

I wonder how long it will take to hit 50 pages

I can understand where you come from, trying to get Destroyers and Battlecruisers to racial Variants.

BUT: I always thought them not to be "stepping stones" but intermediate classes. Which made totally sense having the skills not racial.

i.e "You know how to fly X Races Cruisers well, the Batlecruisers rely on the same technology and modules but you need to learn how to control larger ships thats why you need Battlecruiser skill as well"

I think it is not at all necessary to make the Battlecruiser skill racial! Having to Train BCs to IV until one can get into a BS or Destroyers to IV till you can get into a Cruiser will slow down alot of newbies trying to get into useful roles above "Tackler" in any fleet.

Blackbird for example was an easy to train for ship, it will be prolonged for about a week now (doesn't sound much, but if you are a newbie that is quite some time!) Especially as it stands today that Destroyers are very rarely used and considered "useless" by alot of people.

Please think it over, I do NOT think the skill line should be changed.


IF you disaggree and really want to change that, I am strongly for a Reimbursement Plan that will not make Crosstrainers like me train 3 additional Rank 6 Skills to V (2-3 Months?) to be able to fly all the ships again that I can now ;) I go with Liang here: If you have BC X give them Racial BC X*4 as reimbursement!

Unless you want to macke the Racial BC/Racial Destroyer skills all Rank 1 so the SP are enough to get them to the past level.

Yes - cause God knows CCP never promised anything it didn't follow through. Enjoing walking around your establishments talking to other players in sov-iterated 0.0 with fixed supercaps, are you?

I too, support Soundwaves ideas.