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[Proposal] Instanced PvE for Christmas at the cost of avatar detail level

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Jerec Bratt
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-02-28 18:02:51 UTC
Well, what I think pretty much everyone would be happy about would be a PVE environment in-station.

First thing to do is scaling down the polycounts on these models and zooming the camera out. Yeah, sure, you put so much effort in these models being awesome, and they are too. But if I wanted to produce a cool game feature really fast, I'd of think getting 2 people on the team figuring out how to implement Level Of Detail models on the avatars, and then get the camera far away from the avatar, so it gets small and low detail.

With less details on the model we'll get less boiling motherboards when a couple of NPCs show up.
And then you get a team of Level Designers creating like 20 large interior blocks that can be arranged into random levels and spawn mobs there. Yeah, someone will have to write an AI at this point too.
Players will get missions, spawn in these random instances and run around shooting these NPCs like crazy, and best part is, that if they die, they just wake up in the station's cloning bay. And if you get more people on the team you can even create something like Storybricks (google it, it's an AWESOME IDEA) to make the instances more story-aligned.

I don't really care as much for the polish of the avatars - sure you (CCP) want it to be top-shelf material, but as far as gameplay goes, a really small (diablo3-like) model in an ass-large interior running and shooting stuff, while sightseeing cool station interior spaces (cloning tanks, concord docking bays, ship cargoholds) would be a dream-come-true for most of the players.

And please notice, that I am talking PVE here, which means that during this 'mission' the player is in an instanced random encounter, so that you (CCP) won't have to figure out all the complexities of coop/pvp gameplay, and the player will play with no jacks ninja-warping in on him. Frankly, this is very much a half-feature, BUT you already got the whole WiS as a half-feature. I bet replacing CQ with/or simply adding on top of CQ an instanced PVE game would generate a hell of a lot of newcomers.

And it's not hard to figure out, that PVE instances would reward players with ISK and PVE related items. It's not hard to figure out, that it can tie to the rest of the game by providing modules that are not-PVE realted, or even providing locations to instanced missions (you killed a mob on station and now you know where their base is). It's not hard to figure out that you'd have to have a clone ready for this type of encounters, beacause it would be really sad to lose those implants in a fight aboard a station. Optional cheap Battleclones, for on-station use only could peobably make an entry. It figures you'd have to have character designers modelling dogs, slaves, escaped clones, Sansha's cyborgs and all other opponents. It figures, that you'd probably want to make it possible one day to make this a coop/PVP thing, which would require the feature to be prepared for mass player overload. The option for a single player to storm another player's/corp hangar protected by corp merc NPCs and/or Concord guards stays open, as it would run on the same frame with some minor tweaks (but I wouldn't go there, really).

Removing the PVP aspect is what can make it easy for you to implement this type of thang while not removing all the fun of killing stuff AND letting a new player immerse in the wonderful world of EVE Online more than anytime before.

I'd be realy happy to see everyone take a point on the topic.
Serene Repose
#2 - 2012-02-28 18:06:18 UTC
Thanks for your rather lengthy proposal. When you develop your game, I'll be interested in taking a look at it. If you aren't developing a game, I suggest going with the decaf.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#3 - 2012-02-28 18:10:21 UTC
Clearly, crappy half-finished, pve incarna trash is just what we need to keep eve from dying! Your genius has saved everyone!
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-28 18:10:52 UTC
lol instanced PvE in EVE, especially the kind that rewards you with ISK and items.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2012-02-28 18:11:26 UTC
How about no?


Also, the Features and Ideas section of the forums is that way --->

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-28 18:20:47 UTC
So WoW basically, only in Eve. -_-

Instancing and the absence of pvp are possible the most anti-eve ideas in existence.

So yeah, nice going there.
So Sensational
Ventures
#7 - 2012-02-28 18:26:49 UTC
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
So WoW basically, only in Eve. -_-

Instancing and the absence of pvp are possible the most anti-eve ideas in existence.

So yeah, nice going there.

Maybe that's why WoW has 10 million subs and EVE has 400k? (Owned)
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-28 18:30:41 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
So WoW basically, only in Eve. -_-

Instancing and the absence of pvp are possible the most anti-eve ideas in existence.

So yeah, nice going there.

Maybe that's why WoW has 10 million subs and EVE has 400k? (Owned)



I really hope you're joking. The worst possible thing to happen to this game would be for to become yet another WoW clone.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-28 18:45:15 UTC
what is this i dont even...
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#10 - 2012-02-28 18:47:44 UTC
The wonderful world of EVE includes and intends PVP EVERYWHERE including highsec.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2012-02-28 18:50:34 UTC
I can't believe no one else has said this.

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**** man, rather put EVE out of its misery than what you are describing.
I sincerely hope this is a troll.
Jerec Bratt
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-28 18:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerec Bratt
KrakizBad wrote:
Clearly, crappy half-finished, pve incarna trash is just what we need to keep eve from dying! Your genius has saved everyone!

It's a half-feature, beacause there's no Player-player interaction involved. Preparing this sort of thing for Player-player interaction would take months of testing and balancing. I wouldn't want it to be half finished by any means.

It's much easier to implement a non-PVP feature (see Incarna) then a full blown feature.

And I would not agree that this has anything to do with WoW - the main difference here is the lack of XP.

When writing up this post I was rather figuring a way to create the equivalent of hi-sec missions done inside the station. You gain ISK from missions as well as some mission-related modules, and rarely you get something that related to another part of EVE. That's what I had in mind.

Right now EVE Includes PVP everywhere except inside stations - CCP allowed that so this kind of thing they'd probably considered as ok.

What's important for me is to know, if sacrificing the quality of the godlike models of Incarna is ok with the playerbase. Right now CCP is braking it's neck trying to figure out how to display two of these avatars without melting down any graphic cards. If quality of the models went down, you'd get multiple models on screen just like that, and with this the feature I describe, as well as in any future PVP content based on the very same framework.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#13 - 2012-02-28 19:00:22 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
So WoW basically, only in Eve. -_-

Instancing and the absence of pvp are possible the most anti-eve ideas in existence.

So yeah, nice going there.

Maybe that's why WoW has 10 million subs and EVE has 400k? (Owned)


WoW caters to the lowest common denominator to gain those subs. Pure numbers mean very little when you're talking about a game with the same depth as Janet and John book. Go own yourself in a quiet spot somewhere.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Tagera
Dog Nation
#14 - 2012-02-28 19:01:53 UTC
If I wanted to play a game with crappy, pointless sci-fi based pve involving avatars. I would go play this game some idiots made called star trek online. It's basically what you described in your first post OP.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#15 - 2012-02-28 19:07:05 UTC
Tagera wrote:
If I wanted to play a game with crappy, pointless sci-fi based pve involving avatars. I would go play this game some idiots made called star trek online. It's basically what you described in your first post OP.


It's also F2P now since nobody really seems to want to pay for it

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#16 - 2012-02-28 19:12:10 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
BeforetheStorm90 wrote:
So WoW basically, only in Eve. -_-

Instancing and the absence of pvp are possible the most anti-eve ideas in existence.

So yeah, nice going there.

Maybe that's why WoW has 10 million subs and EVE has 400k? (Owned)


So go back to WOW then.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Tagera
Dog Nation
#17 - 2012-02-28 19:12:16 UTC
Serge Bastana wrote:
Tagera wrote:
If I wanted to play a game with crappy, pointless sci-fi based pve involving avatars. I would go play this game some idiots made called star trek online. It's basically what you described in your first post OP.


It's also F2P now since nobody really seems to want to pay for it



Shows you how good the game is. I still refuse to soil my computer with it.
Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#18 - 2012-02-28 19:17:52 UTC
What is this I don't even........eurrgh.......Instanced PVE in my Eve? No interaction from players outside the "instance"? You don't really get "Eve" do you?

Do us all a favor and find another MMO if you want instanced PVE. Stop trying to make my precious Eve into some kind of themepark MMO hell.

Instances have no place in the sand box
Velicitia
XS Tech
#19 - 2012-02-28 19:20:28 UTC
Tagera wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:
Tagera wrote:
If I wanted to play a game with crappy, pointless sci-fi based pve involving avatars. I would go play this game some idiots made called star trek online. It's basically what you described in your first post OP.


It's also F2P now since nobody really seems to want to pay for it



Shows you how good the game is. I still refuse to soil my computer with it.



even if you wanted to, I'm still pretty sure Aura wouldn't let you install it.Blink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#20 - 2012-02-28 19:22:31 UTC
Thank you for suggesting SW:ToR the dying duck of the year.

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