EVE General Discussion

You are 100% correct. The most recent devblog however says, that their dumping every plan they had for WiS and begin brainstorming to get completely new plans. It's actually the reason I started writing the OP.

Absolutely. mission runners have to be scannable. How else could you ninja salvage them?
Please note, that I have absolutely nothing against an assault of a corp on another's corp hangar being intercepted b a third corp. Or a solo player being found in the cloning bay during his mission and gunned down. it's just the fact, that if we want that, we'll wait for it for ages. And I want those avatars shooting things in a year, so I can see subscriptions rise to seven digits at last.

Putting (owned) on one's own comments (especially when you're oh-you-can't-imagine-how-wrong), is basically putting up a sign over your face that reads "I'm a gigantic asshat".

What you are opting for then is a half finished product in the hopes that it will artificially inflate subscription numbers to an absurd number. So, you add a handful of levels, single player, non scan-able, and risk free. Now lets say it takes 6 months - 1 year to be ready to implement multi-player threat assessment, How do you think all those risk free players are going to take it?
Also, I see this is severely restricted to one play style. Sounds to me like Miners, industrialists, entrepreneurs, explorers, and pirates are getting quite shafted in the deal.

And you keep bringing up CQ, but honestly, what do you do in there besides sit on the couch?

Yeah, when you put it that way it actually sounds exactly like what CCP did with Incarna in June 2011...



Unless you're getting LEVEL 1 mission equivalent ISK/modules and modules/equip to use only in PVE? I guess that would pretty much make it a separate game for the whole PVE period, but it would still be a bit awesome, and probably awesome enought to get those subscriptions coming. Those who came to run&shoot wouldn't really need that much more ISK from it, because they wouldn't try to fly that much, and we wouldn't relly be interested in it. But CCP would get financing, and that's what's important.



Watch my wedding videos on the main screen :) But yeah, you got a point.

Wow. That's what I call strong arguments.
I cannot disagree with anything you said Tippia.

Only it's not me who is trying to add Avatars into EVE - CCP wants to do that.
My OP was only there to figure out, what would be the best way of adding the Avatars into EVE. I bielieve I've been proven wrong.

But then - CCP is still adding those avatars. You read the devblog. there's a team working on it as we speak.

I am actually very curious Tippia, what is your standpoint in that matter. Do you think that they simply shouldn't do it, or do you have an idea of how avatars could make sense in EVE? Or do you simply wait to see the outcome?

Please do answer.

EDIT: I know I am asking you for a speculation, and you do not seem to be a person hat would attempt to predict things when it's uncalled for. But please answer anyway.

I am sorry, but that is just not my idea. You're actually the third person accusing me of this and giving me the same advise.

My idea is (or was, until I was proven wrong) to attract a kazzillion of players to a meaningless PVE game embedded inside EVE stations, so that they'd pay subscriptions and in turn help CCP gather money to do more and more EVE. In far future, this run&shoot feature would turn into a PVP experience not unlike other EVE gameplay features.

I am very much aware of other games availble in the market, thank you for your concern.

If you require further information, please feel free to read the entire thread, as many very interesting things were written there (mostly by Tippia, who, as it came out, also blogs brilliant stuff about EVE, please see her footnote for link).

EDIT: Hey FloppieTheBanjoClown, nice monocle there.

I am in favour of Walking in Stations; because I believe add-on content and game-types like DUST are good business directions. Perhaps they should make it available on the Wii or through Kinect so you can use real motion to walk around. (Joking - sortof) I would love to see a RTS type element layered inbetween Dust and EVE itself. There is scope to build a lot of content that adds to the EVE Universe without necessarily changing much in EVE Online. I believe WiS should be a separate game (Use the damn WoD devs for that) which can be linked to EVE Online should you choose.

However, I do not like your idea. It seems to focus on the players that are not well suited to EVE Online as a game concept. Pandering to them dilutes the value of EVE Online as a game and as a concept and, if CCP were ever foolish enough to chase dollars from WoW / pure PvE type subscribers I would not want to stay around to see the sandbox game I love turned into something ugly.

EVE is not a PvE game. It should never be one. Despite protestations that there are PvE elements, they all have a component of PvP in them. And chasing PvE subscribers is a bad idea as far as I am concerned when they could be chasing players who are better suited to the core design of EVE and the loyal fanbase it has.

That's quite the presumption on your part.

X-Com - UFO enemy unknown in stations FTW

but for real... I'm all in with zooming out the camera and reducing character detail level up to the point where they look slightly more sexier than lego bricks.

Ok. The last couple of posts I cannot disagree with.
EVE is not a place for purely non-PvP content. IF there's missions, they need to interruptable by other players, which means my idea is trash.

But let me focus on a different thing for a moment.
CCP t0rfifrans made clear in his posts, that they are looking for ways to make Incarna a fully compatible, and that it most probably involves scratching whatever was previously said on the topic.

Trying to figure out a way for CCP that would make sense is giving me a really hard time. The addon would have to be subject to the following criteria:

• Involving high resolution avatars (optionally a temporary low resolution or LOD model could be in use, if time is the issue)
• Involving player interaction, prefferably possibility to attack other players, but it's not a necessity
• Appealing to current fanbase, not to lower subscription
• Appealing to newcomers to generate bonus revenue from subscriptions
• Using any existing frames, to lower the cost of production

Now, you can't really use an avatar in ways other then: Hittin it, shooting at it, Having face to face conversations, Touching it, looking at it, performing manual work (animating it).
The only options that involve PVP are

• Looking better then others (how silly is that, really)
• Killing others in combat (the only really interesting option)
• Winning with others in non-combat activities like racing, pushups, kayaking, chesss and other boardgames (which can actually be done without having an avatar)
• Outwitting someone in a face to face confrontation.

I skipped having the avatar dancing, jumping and showing the finger because these are all non-PVP cosmetic actions.

Exploring all of these options one can only com to the conclusion, that the only real use of Avatars in EVE would be combat. Now, seeing all that, I can't really think of a way of implementing this other then what we will have in DUST514 (only on PC and within station interiors). Well, with maybe the little change of controlling the character from 3rd person perspective, like a ship and not like in a shooter, which would allow a more strategic, and less tactical approach to gameplay. But it would still mean combat within stations. And that is not ok with a huge part of the playerbase.

So, frankly, CCP is left with no options to use Avatars in EVE. But they intend to use them anyway. Any guesses what direction it'll all go? Because it will go in "a direction", that's sure. Or maybe you see other options that I've missed.