Warfare & Tactics

What he is speaking of is a couple day old alts that take no effort at all getting into the warring millitias to gain as much information as possible. This is not really 'spying,' but is more asshattery than anything else. It has very little practical value other than irritating and disrupting the hostile militia. This level of "spying" takes absolutely no effort or actual ability to disguise motives.

Wonder if there's any money in being a double agent? :P

going solo and passing intel on both sides... could be fun XD

But seriously though... i've found the whole spy thing annoying and joined a null sec alliance.... there's that option for you too.

Yes, but hopefully CCP's iteration on FW this year (with our man Hans whispering in their ear) should help jolt some life back into it.

He's already been involved with the process from what I understand, but I completely agree - we have to so some solidarity behind Hans for his wonderful support of the core gameplay aspects we all enjoy. This is now a +1 for Hans thread

Personal memory from FW times has horrid pictures of "arranged" fights done by the militia FC guys running our lowtech t1 fleet into enemy fleets with +8 logis and t2+faction ships.

The excuse was "well we got a fight out of it" ... when everyone died obviously.

I have to agree that people playing both sides destroy the whole idea of the FW with the "lol just a game" attitude.

Here's a A Candid Look at Faction War and Small-Gang PVP from Susan Black;



Consider the Amarrian FW corp, Imperial Outlaws, and their campaign on TEST. Ilaw is a small 30 man corp waging small gang warfare on a major nullsec alliance with thousands of members. Their campaign in Otosela has netted them 500+ kills and 40+ losses. Not bad for a bunch of supposed noob pilots. It just goes to show what creative and cohesive combat unit can accomplish unlike those who suffer the typical lemming and group think mindset. Damn those Amarrian Ewoks :)

You will always have naysayers in any part of space. FW, like many parts of New Eden, is simply social Darwinism. Skillpoints alone doesn't get you far. Your ability to socialize and learn to network with others will get you into the 'country club" mentality that some speak of.

And TBH, I think the people who complain about not being able to break into FW or any other part of the sandbox in New Eden are the same people who sit idly at a bar with a drink in hand waiting for the pretty girl to come talk to you. Loser mentality. You're supposed to go to the girl and talk to her. Win her over with your charm, wit, and personality. If she rejects you, say, "No big deal. I love rejection. Let me find another!"

People who complain about not being able to "get in" are the same ones who will find a reason to not being able to succeed elsewhere be that nullsec, WH, piracy, etc... Some just can't handle rejection and obstacles be that ingame or in life.

You can win. Or you can make excuses. But you can't do both at the same time.

lol this thread is still going, I'd completely forgotten about it.

Started a low-sec corp with some friends instead.

Hope all the FW spying works itself out, GL with that.

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Really had to laugh at this post.


Seriously?

Are you sure yourself what you are saying?

Joined FW about a week ago, and it literally only took me ten minutes to figure out something that the OP couldn't figure out: You gotta be in a dedicated militia corp to access the TS and all the other goodies. Since then I've had nothing but small gang warfare and goodfites. If you want to stay in the 24th IC and then baaaw that you're in the 24th IC then you're doing it wrong.

CCP, I don't like the fact that the default corp you made for FW doesn't run on it's own like a well oiled machine. FW is broken. Delete it. Baaaw baaaw baaaw.

I don't think Faction Warfare has to be all tough, closed doors fight club recruiting style though. There should be a place for folks in the general militia corp, in terms of meeting friends, hopping in thrashers, and seizing small plexes for occupancy.

I think the sooner we get a UI revamp with some actual intel involved that points players in the direction of the proper plexes to flip a system, spy paranoia will reduce as more battlefield info becomes open and public anyways.

I want to see as much info available as possible (within reason) so that players can find fights readily and easilly. This is the future. Each militia should know where it is being attacked, that intel would exist independent of player scouting due to automated transmissions and such. I think by opening up the militia UI and adding useful feedback we reduce the value of a planted spy, minimize the ability of a militia to "ninja-flip" a system without anyone knowing about it, and make fleeting with random militia corp members a much less scary affair than it is under current circumstances.