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CCP - FW What a waste of time.

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Lahnea
#81 - 2012-02-29 19:56:26 UTC
Pulgy wrote:



somebody's in love


Indeed. Lol
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-02-29 20:16:57 UTC
Quote:


somebody's in love


Every new Gallente militia pilot thinks when they join:

"Some day when I grow up I want to be as cool as Loren Garren."

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Bluejacket CT
Did he say Jump
#83 - 2012-03-01 04:11:54 UTC
He's sooo dreamy.

SLAPD - Corp Janitor

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-03-01 05:24:49 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
I suspect you won't be satisfied with any reason that anyone gives you. There have been a few reasons stated so far. So let me counter you for a moment;

You've asked for the militia and/or CCP to adopt to you and your ideologies of how FW should operate. Why haven't you considered adopting to current militia standard procedures? Specifically, do the very simple things that Andrea Griffin mentioned. Is it that hard?


I still prefer what's currently in place because it acts as sort of a 'social filter'. If you got in, then it's because you did what Andrea suggested earlier. Or that you have the right contacts who got you in. Like life, high SPs and technical knowledge isn't always enough to get you ahead. Sometimes it's who you know and not what you know. Or sometimes, it's who knows you.

I think it's ironic that you created a corp which is more work than just joining one. I imagine if you want it done properly, you have to do it yourself :)

Furthermore, it would be even more ironic if you were to rejoin FW and could get in because you have a corp and become an ewok like the rest of us :)


That **** is just ego's gone awry. Many people play these games GENERALLY to get away from this kind of **** IRL.

"You have to know who's who before you're allowed in the club" is not a valid way of pilot selection or even spy filter.

That's just enabling people who can so easily **** with your perceptions. They are anonymous and can say or do anything to get into the club.

I shudder to think how many pilots you guys have turned off FW over the years with this dynamic.

It is of absolutely no loss to me to not be doing FW at this point. I was there only and completely for the pew, in between doing something with more substance.

If you cannot understand what I'm getting at fine, but the "boys club is necessary" is one of the most brainless posts I think I might've ever seen on eve-o and that's saying something.

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Vordak Kallager
Goryn Clade
#85 - 2012-03-01 07:44:21 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
I suspect you won't be satisfied with any reason that anyone gives you. There have been a few reasons stated so far. So let me counter you for a moment;

You've asked for the militia and/or CCP to adopt to you and your ideologies of how FW should operate. Why haven't you considered adopting to current militia standard procedures? Specifically, do the very simple things that Andrea Griffin mentioned. Is it that hard?


I still prefer what's currently in place because it acts as sort of a 'social filter'. If you got in, then it's because you did what Andrea suggested earlier. Or that you have the right contacts who got you in. Like life, high SPs and technical knowledge isn't always enough to get you ahead. Sometimes it's who you know and not what you know. Or sometimes, it's who knows you.

I think it's ironic that you created a corp which is more work than just joining one. I imagine if you want it done properly, you have to do it yourself :)

Furthermore, it would be even more ironic if you were to rejoin FW and could get in because you have a corp and become an ewok like the rest of us :)


That **** is just ego's gone awry. Many people play these games GENERALLY to get away from this kind of **** IRL.

"You have to know who's who before you're allowed in the club" is not a valid way of pilot selection or even spy filter.

That's just enabling people who can so easily **** with your perceptions. They are anonymous and can say or do anything to get into the club.

I shudder to think how many pilots you guys have turned off FW over the years with this dynamic.

It is of absolutely no loss to me to not be doing FW at this point. I was there only and completely for the pew, in between doing something with more substance.

If you cannot understand what I'm getting at fine, but the "boys club is necessary" is one of the most brainless posts I think I might've ever seen on eve-o and that's saying something.


Mate, we're describing how :LIFE: works. If you're hiring for a position, you don't hire someone because they say "Hey, you don't know me, you know nothing about me, but give me this senior position anyway".

If you are so close-minded that you feel immediately entitled to everything that you might want on a whim (and you throw a tantrum when you don't get it spoon-fed to you), that is too bad.

People have worked hard to create a FW community/brother-hood and we aren't going to let some narcissistic moron into secure op channels just because he says "let me into your secure op channels". We'd be moronic if we did that.

Getting into fleets out in nullsec might be easy as cake because you're 1 man out of 100+ and the ability for you to rain on the parade is diminished as opposed to being 1 man out of 10, and you might be inclined to do that from sheer ineptitude or for malicious reasons: either way, it is much more important to protect the integrity and security of a fleet when it is small than when it is large because 1 man can do a lot of damage.

Have fun running your own corp, I'm sure you'll find some other self-entitled morons that like your panache (read: idiocy) and you can go about doing whatever you want.

tl;dr - we've given you explanations, we've given you justifications. if you refuse to even recognize those (you don't have to agree!), repeating ourselves isn't going to help your mental condition.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Awesome Alliance
#86 - 2012-03-01 07:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Revolution Rising wrote:
I have read quite a bit about spies here...

However, there are some really half baked ideas regarding ALL KINDS OF THEORIES which are just basically wrong.

If you check the industry forums you find many people asking why the hulk shouldn't get a buff so it has more tank - so they don't get ganked in highsec so easily by cormorants lol.

These are the GREAT MINDS behind much of eve gameplay.

So tell me this very simply.

If I start FW today as a solo pilot, and I ask for access just to the intel channels that are run by these "in groups" in FW.

And of course intel channels shouldn't have blue intel and should only have RED intel.

What benefit is there for enemies knowing what our red intel is?

Now don't get me wrong, there are a few reasons I can think of - perhaps we don't want THEM to know WE know that they're there - sure but let's face it that's once in every 100 years of eve play with all the metagaming.

Come on seriously given the number of answers in this thread that said "oh we take for granted there are spies in our intel channels anyhow", then why wasn't I just "allowed to join" straight away ?

What is the point of disallowing me access ?!?!

Seriously, you're just sending FW pilots that might fly for you away. I wasn't asking for fleets I was just asking for intel so I could at least find a fight - but not so big a fight to just get blapped straight away.

It just seems to me the fear has taken all reason out of the entire process. I would ask CCP to help - without any idea how they might do that, but I'd suggest people FAR better versed than I on the subject could put away their "spy fear" and think about it.
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Please keep in mind, this isn't a personal attack on anyone. Not am I saying those people having fun in FW or who had/have good experiences joining FW are wrong. I'm just saying this was my experience, and given that CCP kind of advertised FW as the place to go for some PEW if you're in between corps or just out on your own... I didn't get any. Seemed a lot of paranoia instead.

Just think about it.



Thought about it, but keep coming to the same result which is - You understand that the solution is to join a player corp.
So why not try it?

I prefer running my own small corp which can be a barrier just as being in the NPC corp is- but after a week being blown up by Loren Gallen people will see you are having a go and let you into coms and fleets.
Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-03-01 09:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Why are you so angry? The system isn't foolproof. It just seems like you're hellbent on wanting the system to change but you know and I know that it won't. Btw- I wasn't saying that networking, as a social filter, should get you an in and be considered a foolproof method to weed out spies. It isn't because of the reasons you stated in regards to manipulation and puppetry.

I was referencing Andrea's "socializing" her activity that got her noticed. He says hi in local. He communicates enemy movement in chat. He got in. What's so hard about doing that? It takes barely a minute to do this a few times a week. You've certainly spent more time on these threads and it still hasn't gotten you anywhere :)

I don't expect to change your mind and that's fine. If anything, I'm just amused by all of this.

I still think you (or anyone reading this) should at least consider that being sociable and leveraging your social skills should and does get you ahead in this game as it does in life. Don't easily dismiss this facet of the game. Let me conclude it with this;

Consider Mittani as a perfect example. For all his narcissism and metagamming nonsense, he wields power because of his ability to be a social animal. That, above all else, is why he is currently relevant and holds power. He buys drinks for CCP employees at the Summits to make it look like he's working hard at cultivating relationships and being a 'uniter'. He schmoozes and sweet talks his own alliance mates and allies. He knows how to put a delicate spin on lemmings to force them to believe whatever he wants them to believe. His speeches are not only articulate (relative to some of the Alliance CEOs in nullsec) but he understands how to craft the language behind it to make him more appealing . Not bad for a guy who has admitted that he doesn't play alot and much prefers metagamming, from an article I recall a year ago. And his KB isn't anything outstanding. But yet here he is; he holds more power than other alliances who have more l33t PVPers or experienced vets.

There's a reason why Goons is one of the few nullsec alliances who recruit total noobs. They're totally new to the game. Incapable of thinking independently. Susceptible for whatever message you wish to preach. Sounds like a perfect scenario to influence folks with your own propaganda er message. Well, that and they make for great meat shields :)

Hell, look at his CSM introduction thread. He knows how to get people to relate to him. He subtly implies alot of things by using what is referred to as "social proof" . He likes cute dogs like Alaskan Huskies. Who doesn't like cute lovable animals? He thinks CCP Punkturus is 'alright'. What guy here doesn't like a cute girl? He is posting "social proofs" as a way to get us to relate to him and make it look like he's just 'one of the guys' and not some power mongering nullsec douche bag. And you know what? It works pretty darn well for him.

I'm not part of his alliance so I do not have an internal understanding about everything that goes on. However, the nature of what I do in real life gives me ALOT of confidence to state with a high degree of certainty that he already knows what I am articulating; That in a game of internet spacehips, we're still social animals and subject to being influenced. He doesn't deal with spaceships or moon goo. He deals, influences, and manipulates people.

Like this game (or FW), life isn't perfect. I accept that pretty girls will get ahead in the corporate world for their looks. I accept that aggressive fast talking salesfolks will get ahead despite the fact they may know nothing about the product at hand. I accept that a jerk who can sweet talk girls at the bar will get laid more than the 'nice guy' who does everything right . I don't look to change these things. I accept them as is.

That's life my friend; C'est la vie. Or was it C'est La Eve ?

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
#88 - 2012-03-01 16:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Nexxala
Wait... you are playing Eve to get away from egos? ....that, in all seriousness, is the stupidest ******* thing I have ever heard anyone say about this game. Eve players == egotistical pricks 90% of the time. What our "boys club" filters out is the arrogant dipshits who don't know what they are talking about but think they do. (90% of above 90%, usually null scrubs). We actually encourage spies tbh, its gets us more pew. Assholes and people with **** attitudes however will always find themselves on the outside of every group. Good luck Roll

Revolution Rising wrote:

That **** is just ego's gone awry. Many people play these games GENERALLY to get away from this kind of **** IRL.

"You have to know who's who before you're allowed in the club" is not a valid way of pilot selection or even spy filter.

That's just enabling people who can so easily **** with your perceptions. They are anonymous and can say or do anything to get into the club.

I shudder to think how many pilots you guys have turned off FW over the years with this dynamic.

It is of absolutely no loss to me to not be doing FW at this point. I was there only and completely for the pew, in between doing something with more substance.

If you cannot understand what I'm getting at fine, but the "boys club is necessary" is one of the most brainless posts I think I might've ever seen on eve-o and that's saying something.

nom nom

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#89 - 2012-03-01 23:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
You can be in faction war and not know anyone. You can have allot of fun doing that. I flew solo allot and still do occasionally. If you don't know what your doing in pvp you shouldn't expect people who aren't in your corp to take time to teach you. Sometimes they will, but its not your right to have other people explain how the game works to you.

The issue op seems to have is not about faction war. It seems to be you are upset about people not inviting you to fleet up. Thats something a bit different.

If you don't know how to pvp get in a corp that says they are willing to help newer players in exchange for their commitment to the corp. But if you aren't even willing to commit to their corp at all and just want people to teach you while you are in your own corp. Well thats not always going to work out like you hope.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815