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CCP - FW What a waste of time.

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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#21 - 2012-02-17 22:30:35 UTC
Oh and one other thing.......

Hans for csm!!!!!!!!!!!
Electra Gaterau
Thunderwaffles
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-02-17 23:19:55 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
As a relatively new player I joined the Gall militia yesterday and the channel is also dead. So I checked kill boards to see active corps in EU and already have one I plan to apply to once I have a little xp behind me.


Don't even wait that long. Explain in your application that you are a nubbin, you want to learn, and thrown in some wiseass crack that will put a smile on their face for good measure.

Electra Gaterau wrote:
(Will getting my ass handed to me count as experience?) Lol


As long as you don't do it "stupidly," yes. "Suicide tackle" is a noble job in militia and many nubbins start out their careers this way. I did. After I got sick of doing this, I upgraded to cruisers... then to battlecruisers... then back to cruisers... then battleships... then specialty T2 ships (gawd I loved that Nemesis, no matter how much it sucked).


Ty for the advice.

Just to confirm to the original poster I acted on what I said earlier and sure I got blown up first attempt but I got straight back out there, scored my first kill and made a new friend. Not bad for my first night! If a 2 month old character can do it you shouldn't have a problem Cool
Vordak Kallager
Goryn Clade
#23 - 2012-02-17 23:23:32 UTC
Electra Gaterau wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
As a relatively new player I joined the Gall militia yesterday and the channel is also dead. So I checked kill boards to see active corps in EU and already have one I plan to apply to once I have a little xp behind me.


Don't even wait that long. Explain in your application that you are a nubbin, you want to learn, and thrown in some wiseass crack that will put a smile on their face for good measure.

Electra Gaterau wrote:
(Will getting my ass handed to me count as experience?) Lol


As long as you don't do it "stupidly," yes. "Suicide tackle" is a noble job in militia and many nubbins start out their careers this way. I did. After I got sick of doing this, I upgraded to cruisers... then to battlecruisers... then back to cruisers... then battleships... then specialty T2 ships (gawd I loved that Nemesis, no matter how much it sucked).


Ty for the advice.

Just to confirm to the original poster I acted on what I said earlier and sure I got blown up first attempt but I got straight back out there, scored my first kill and made a new friend. Not bad for my first night! If a 2 month old character can do it you shouldn't have a problem Cool


I hope you survive the "6month learning curve", because attitudes like this are wonderful to have whether as an enemy or ally. If Gallente doesn't work out, check out Minmatar. Cool And I'd be happy to help you with any questions or anything, just mail me in-game. Pirate

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Electra Gaterau
Thunderwaffles
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-02-17 23:35:33 UTC
Well i'm not the fastest learner but I certainly am a glutton for punishment, expect lots of fail fits and comical kill mails from me Ugh
Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-02-17 23:55:35 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
As a relatively new player I joined the Gall militia yesterday and the channel is also dead. So I checked kill boards to see active corps in EU and already have one I plan to apply to once I have a little xp behind me.


Don't even wait that long. Explain in your application that you are a nubbin, you want to learn, and thrown in some wiseass crack that will put a smile on their face for good measure.

Electra Gaterau wrote:
(Will getting my ass handed to me count as experience?) Lol


As long as you don't do it "stupidly," yes. "Suicide tackle" is a noble job in militia and many nubbins start out their careers this way. I did. After I got sick of doing this, I upgraded to cruisers... then to battlecruisers... then back to cruisers... then battleships... then specialty T2 ships (gawd I loved that Nemesis, no matter how much it sucked).


Ty for the advice.

Just to confirm to the original poster I acted on what I said earlier and sure I got blown up first attempt but I got straight back out there, scored my first kill and made a new friend. Not bad for my first night! If a 2 month old character can do it you shouldn't have a problem Cool


I hope you survive the "6month learning curve", because attitudes like this are wonderful to have whether as an enemy or ally. If Gallente doesn't work out, check out Minmatar. Cool And I'd be happy to help you with any questions or anything, just mail me in-game. Pirate


Hey c'mon now Vordak. Don't go poaching our militia grunts already. Gallente needs all the help it can get to fight off those squid bears!

I'll take a pilot with a good attitude like Electra rather than a complaining high SP player any day of the week.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2012-02-18 00:56:21 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
As a relatively new player I joined the Gall militia yesterday and the channel is also dead. So I checked kill boards to see active corps in EU and already have one I plan to apply to once I have a little xp behind me.


Don't even wait that long. Explain in your application that you are a nubbin, you want to learn, and thrown in some wiseass crack that will put a smile on their face for good measure.


Pretty Much This, TBH. Sometimes, just having the right attitude is worth far more to a corp than having Millions of SP available.

Take my Corp, given the Choice between a New Player who's a willing to put their ships on the line even when the odds are stacked against them (usually while drunk), and a 7 Year Veteran who's approach to EVE is more geared towards keeping his Killboard Stats Pretty, we're most likely to choose the Drunken Lunatic every time as they'd be a better fit for the corp. We can develop Talent and Skill, however changing someone's attitude is much tougher.

ShahFluffers wrote:
Electra Gaterau wrote:
(Will getting my ass handed to me count as experience?) Lol


As long as you don't do it "stupidly," yes. "Suicide tackle" is a noble job in militia and many nubbins start out their careers this way. I did. After I got sick of doing this, I upgraded to cruisers... then to battlecruisers... then back to cruisers... then battleships... then specialty T2 ships (gawd I loved that Nemesis, no matter how much it sucked).


To clarify, even a "stupid" loss is experience. It's when you continually repeat whatever led to the "stupid" loss that it's a bad thing.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#27 - 2012-02-18 01:51:13 UTC
Like to point out that as a nice person im always will to help....okay can't be arsed trolling anymore.

New players dont convo me, i don't like you at all. Then again the only person I do like is acutally a Minnie, but then I don't have a minnie alt in ...some corp.

Was laughing my ass off when he/she got in.


In regards to new people in FW.

FW is not noob, or NEWB, friendly never has been. I spent a month x'ing up in Caldari Militia before I just joined IBS. Moving and living in Low Sec helped as well. Once your in the systems people see ya around, they see you plex and before long boom your in. Soon enough for be in the intelchannel with the spy that everyone knows about. On comms that up to now, confirmed four minnies have access too, awesome sauce.

FW is fun, you just wont get into any old fleet on day one. Might seem unfair to you being new, but to me who the minnies will tell ya is cyno bait for Faction Bs and T3 fleets, it feels just right.

Places at the table are earned, not given out like candy.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-02-18 02:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Electra Gaterau wrote:
Well i'm not the fastest learner but I certainly am a glutton for punishment, expect lots of fail fits and comical kill mails from me Ugh


Don't worry the day I joined FW I had never pvped before and I turned out ok. The time I was in SP-DR and Gal Mil were my best days in EVE but I don't have the time to play anymore. Word of advice: When playing games online with other people get a thick skin.

Also, check my guide in my bio.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-02-18 02:40:30 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Oh and one other thing.......

Hans for csm!!!!!!!!!!!


QFT

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Bluejacket CT
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#30 - 2012-02-18 02:54:08 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:

It's what you make of it. Me? I'm in it for ....drama


YEAH BABY YOU KNOW IT! Gallente FW sure can cook up some juicy drama llama. Twisted


On a serious note, in real life you have to talk to people to make friends, and you have to talk to people to get any kind of position (whether it be a job, volunteer work, a member of a sports team) - why would it be any different in an MMORPG?

Don't be a faction warfare wall-flower, get out there and pew pew and meet people.

SLAPD - Corp Janitor

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2012-02-19 08:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
To the OP - there's all kinds of **** that is ******** about Faction Warfare. That's why I've spent more time recently trying to get it patched up than I have actually participating in the fighting myself.

As to the spai paranoia - that unfortunately is NOT something CCP can do anything about besides leaving out any plans to inject unnecessary drama into FW by implementing aliance-style leadership or shared resources.

The only solution to the spai paranoid is for militia corps to not use spais.

Spais cause recruting blocks that keep folks like yourself from having fun, and spais cause fleets to dock up for safety reasons when they know they'll lose.

Spais ruin FW. The responsibility to clean that **** up so that we can get back to fun fights with more pilots lies with those of us that are veterans of the scene.

If you know someone personally who's using spais in the opposing militia, let them know that it hurts the community, and leads to less fighting.

Peer pressure it out of FW, leave that stuff to the 0.0 alliances. We can only police ourselves if we want to get more pilots involved and have more battles all around. There's good drama that surrounds the battles and the smack tak, and there's bad drama that causes unnecessary trust issues that lead to corporations doing their own thing instead of reaching out to each other.

Spai issue aside, there's a whole lot of work CCP can do in terms of reward / consequence, please stop by my campaign thread if you'd like to read more about what I've been up to. I've already been working closely with the existing CSM on Faction Warfare issues, and they are also a huge part of my platform for my CSM7.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Andrea Griffin
#32 - 2012-02-19 14:11:26 UTC
I do find the metagaming / rampant spying in the FW militias to be exceptionally obnoxious, but this isn't something that CCP can fix. It's only something the players can fix - but they never, ever will.
Ninlarra
EVE Corporation 32568947
#33 - 2012-02-19 15:36:13 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
I:words:


More Words.



This douchebag is right. You have to sack up as he puts it. I am a terrible pilot. The only asset I bring to FW is cap ships I'm too pussy to use and my occasional trolling skills. But before my long list of accomplishment in FW I spent many many MANY (like 18 or so) in the NPC FW corp, I lost many ships, jumped into many possible fights and died horribly, and more perhaps most importantly DONT LEAVE FE AND COME BACK 15 TIMES. I would go so far to say if I didnt jump into 5 or 6 fights on a gate while I in the NPC corps without being asked and the right people were there I still might be in the NPC corps.

TL;DR

Fight and die as often as you can, then you will get into the intel channels and have the info you want.
Muad 'dib
The Nine Nine
#34 - 2012-02-19 16:27:02 UTC
FW is a glorifed noob corp constantly at war wiht other newb corps. NO player wanted to do ANYTHING but solo should ever remain in the original npc fw corp.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Awesome Alliance
#35 - 2012-02-20 00:34:43 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
I can understand CCP wanting to allow meta-gaming in eve to keep things "real" and interesting for adults playing the game.

Honestly though, after joining the amarrian militia you have to wonder if it's not just a game breaker.

You cannot get info because most of them dont even read the militia window anymore.
Many of them are in corps - this is true and they have their own chat channels.
However, looking at the militia window currently just after DT, there are plenty of people there.

I and a couple of other new people to FW couldn't get any information on antyhing.

Spies have run rampant to such an extent that the entire process of gainging new players to play FW seems to have completely broken down.

Intel doesn't really happen in the channel, no intel for some means we can't really fly the ships we'd like to.
No fleets because spies could too easily get into them means we can't even orchestrate a decent gank.

I can understand the many people who are happy to play FW right now and have already got into these closed groups, however for many of us who are high SP and just want to pewpew something without the hassle or needing a break from joining corps/alliances - it's a time waster to try and PVP without intel or collaboration.

CCP - this needs fixing desperately or just remove it. The necessary collaboration in low-sec as opposed to incursions in high-sec is completely different, and requires trust which cannot occur in your game - by your own design.

Have you considered any tools or ideas to help this along?
Or is it just going to continue to be another one of your half-baked ideas?




You need to get out and try some pvp against the enemy - you will lose a few ships and hopefully kill a few along the way.
Once the rest of militia see you are willing to get out and try - you will get into the bigger fleets and better channels.

Do some active plexing in the same systems as other members of your militia. Once they see you a few times they and know you are not going to scram them, you will start getting fleet invites.
Militia is a mean place when you first join - it gets better.

As for spy's - they are nothing to be afraid of. Learn who they are have fun with em - they are quite entertaining sometimes.
There is no way to remove them from militia without breaking eve so just accept they are there and give em the odd bit of false info and watch their movements/chat etc.
With practice (and a few screw ups), spy's become easier to pick - to the point of almost being worthless.

So Militia chat does have its uses - use it for information or misinformation that you want spread around.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#36 - 2012-02-20 01:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Silence iKillYouu
Revolution Rising wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
Why not form your own fleet with other new guys and go pew pew?

Or are you just another person who joins FW thinking they have a divine right to immediate access to everything a lot of corps have spent a lot I time, effort and isk creating?

No offense intended.


What a stupid answer, no offense.

Which is it the intel channel or the fleet these corps spend heaps of isk on ?

Really Roll

I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw in the master plan.

I have already said it is a given that my perspective is going to be different from the melodrama queens who will obviously troll this thread because they have been doing FW for a longass time.

However, your opinion is about as valid as a 6 year old player commenting on the new player experience - I wouldn't know.

Same, your opinion isn't valid as a new player trying to get into FW and coming up against the harsh wall of silence when it comes to intel/fleets/TS.

If you can't understand what I'm saying, go to the next thread in the forum.
It's not some personal attack on corps doing what corps must do to survive.

It's an obvious flaw in the system that I'm pointing out and wondering if CCP in their rewrite/revisit of FW in the near future might do something about. If no inconsistencies are ever brought to light, then nothing will ever get fixed.

I personally have spent multiple billions on corps and groups.
Amarr are really uptight u would fit in better with the minnies. send me a mail if u want to get in with the fun group


Revolution Rising wrote:
harsh wall of silence
Cool

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.

SigmaPi
Space Men
#37 - 2012-02-20 02:31:40 UTC
Does this look like a recruitment thread, Silence? Get lost! =P
Mechael
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-02-20 02:59:41 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
To the OP - there's all kinds of **** that is ******** about Faction Warfare. That's why I've spent more time recently trying to get it patched up than I have actually participating in the fighting myself.

As to the spai paranoia - that unfortunately is NOT something CCP can do anything about besides leaving out any plans to inject unnecessary drama into FW by implementing aliance-style leadership or shared resources.

The only solution to the spai paranoid is for militia corps to not use spais.

Spais cause recruting blocks that keep folks like yourself from having fun, and spais cause fleets to dock up for safety reasons when they know they'll lose.

Spais ruin FW. The responsibility to clean that **** up so that we can get back to fun fights with more pilots lies with those of us that are veterans of the scene.

If you know someone personally who's using spais in the opposing militia, let them know that it hurts the community, and leads to less fighting.

Peer pressure it out of FW, leave that stuff to the 0.0 alliances. We can only police ourselves if we want to get more pilots involved and have more battles all around. There's good drama that surrounds the battles and the smack tak, and there's bad drama that causes unnecessary trust issues that lead to corporations doing their own thing instead of reaching out to each other.

Spai issue aside, there's a whole lot of work CCP can do in terms of reward / consequence, please stop by my campaign thread if you'd like to read more about what I've been up to. I've already been working closely with the existing CSM on Faction Warfare issues, and they are also a huge part of my platform for my CSM7.


Yikes. What is warfare without spying? Please don't push for that. Instead, please push for more inventive ways of sifting out spies. I'm sure it's possible. A rank system is a good start. I know there's one built in already, but having special comms for higher ranking FW pilots would at least be a start even if it isn't infallible. On that note, nothing should be infallible.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-02-20 03:04:58 UTC
My hair is infallible.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-02-20 03:23:09 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
My hair is infallible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXZftTgP0bk

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