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SCAMMER ROLANDARY

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#21 - 2012-02-21 05:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
thumper380 wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
thumper380 wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
[quote=Alara IonStormI am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters.

Did this particular Scam break the EULA?

Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time.




And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back. I now feel sorry for the person that has purchased thumper as they have paid and not got the char as of yet.


We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait.



so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?



There MUST BE A DEFINITIVE log of the ISK changing hands, correct? With isk changing hands for nothing these accounts are left high and dry if they overextended themselves. While the axiom don't fly what you can't afford to lose holds true should the transitive property take effect in the character bazzar or the recruiting channel: don't spend ISK you can't afford not to have for x amount of days while CCP investigates in totality? I'm guessing the persons thought they could play immediately off the back to earn back some chunk of what they just spent... lesson learned the hard way.

I was considering purchasing a character myself glad I've been forewarned in the forums and feel sorry for those that don't read these stories here...
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thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-02-21 05:59:08 UTC
well i was expecting a character so i could make some isk so ...
Cyzlaki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-02-21 06:14:45 UTC
Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.
thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-21 06:46:18 UTC
Cyzlaki wrote:
Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.


Well Put
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Northern Coalition.
#25 - 2012-02-21 08:10:10 UTC
I do have to say i do think the GMs have no clue how this effects the player. Its a massive massive issue and inconvienience for the person being scammed. One has no character one has no isk, both pretty f*cked. Meanwhile its just sit and wait and wait and wait. CCP seriously need to step up their customer service, its pretty damn poor. But we say this for years and nothing changes, so you shouldnt expect it now. I really dont understand why CCP just have a handful of people doing this stuff, its basically that customer support is not a priority.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#26 - 2012-02-21 08:35:31 UTC
This could be avoided if I was allowed to secure character transfers Lol

But really, the best way imo would be CCP impementing a feature (in account management perhaps?) where;

Seller specify price and who the ISK should be released to (on same account) - press Confirm
Buyer has amount of ISK in the wallet of the character he logs on account management with, review the price and character being sold - press Confirm

ISK is withdrawn and sent to seller's character. character is placed in the transfer state to buyers account.

No way of either party to scam the other that way since nothing will happen until buyer confirm and gets his isk withdrawn.

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thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-21 08:42:09 UTC
or maybe do it like you buy timecodes ? maybe like have an ingame wallet function where you can send isk to an account wallet from which you can buy a character or a timecode ?????

im just saying that wouldnt be too hard to do right ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-02-21 08:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Cyzlaki wrote:
Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.



Yeah the smart thing to do would be for the GMs to immediately give characters and massive amounts of ISK to anyone who makes a noise on the forum without investigating until they know the whole story, and worry about consequences later. Yep, that's definitely the optimum course of action here.

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Wacktopia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-02-21 09:02:02 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
thumper380 wrote:
So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~

WTH is going on CCP

Lets blow up this thread

I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters.

Did this particular Scam break the EULA?


Nope. Character sale scam = ban. I'm pretty sure.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-02-21 09:14:59 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
thumper380 wrote:
So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~

WTH is going on CCP

Lets blow up this thread

I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters.

Did this particular Scam break the EULA?


Nope. Character sale scam = ban. I'm pretty sure.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-21 09:23:23 UTC
The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.

Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do.
thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-02-21 10:38:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Cyzlaki wrote:
Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.



Yeah the smart thing to do would be for the GMs to immediately give characters and massive amounts of ISK to anyone who makes a noise on the forum without investigating until they know the whole story, and worry about consequences later. Yep, that's definitely the optimum course of action here.



when it is very clear that the person is a hacker why not give the isk straight back ?

its called good customer service

you don't go to your electrical store taking your broken TV back and having to wait ages to get a new TV

or at least I've never had that
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#33 - 2012-02-21 10:49:48 UTC
The life of the GM department and of a lot of customers could be easier if additional means for account security were put into place. For example a digipass key that would be optional for most players, with the exception of those trading character.

In practice, no additonal account security, no character transfers.

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Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2012-02-21 11:07:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.

Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do.

This.
ITT; people who arent GMs whining about what GMs have to do to make sure errbody satisfied

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#35 - 2012-02-21 11:07:53 UTC
thumper380 wrote:
and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?


Yes, and that is no one's fault but your own for not using a 3rd party to help you complete the transaction. Be happy that you will get your isk back eventually if it does turn out to be a scam. In the meantime you can go back to doing all the stuff that got you the isk in the first place. Oh, wait, you just bought the isk with your credit card, didn't you. Well, then wait.
thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-02-21 11:10:44 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
thumper380 wrote:
and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?


Yes, and that is no one's fault but your own for not using a 3rd party to help you complete the transaction. Be happy that you will get your isk back eventually if it does turn out to be a scam. In the meantime you can go back to doing all the stuff that got you the isk in the first place. Oh, wait, you just bought the isk with your credit card, didn't you. Well, then wait.



i have never bought any isk thank you very much and a 3rd party for buying a character WTF are you on about
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-02-21 11:14:23 UTC
thumper380 wrote:
so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?


Well if CCP do have IP logging enabled (i assume they do as it is a great security feature), then it would be pretty straight forward to see if the account has been hacked or not.

But yeah, going through all the books and records of stuff may take a lot longer

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thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-02-21 11:26:20 UTC
Headerman wrote:
thumper380 wrote:
so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?


Well if CCP do have IP logging enabled (i assume they do as it is a great security feature), then it would be pretty straight forward to see if the account has been hacked or not.

But yeah, going through all the books and records of stuff may take a lot longer



but whos to say they just havnt changed there own ip ?
Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2012-02-21 11:37:06 UTC
thumper380 wrote:
but whos to say they just havnt changed there own ip ?

Unlikely (although possible) yet wouldn't make much of a difference. CCP can see that the "hacked" account was logged in by an ip outside the original owner's region unless the "hacker" is a close friend or relative that lives nearby or even used the original owner's machine. It's factors like this that make the investigation take time and GMs/CCP is fully right for not jumping to conclusions or innocents could get burned.

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thumper380
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-02-21 11:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: thumper380
honestly ALL I want is just my isk back so i can carry on playing the game that I have subscribed to.

it doesn't take 2 mins to work out if someone has been scammed they could give me my isk back then carry on with the investigation this would keep all the customers alot happier when this goes on