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Londor Rogers
Public Menace
#1 - 2012-02-07 17:54:32 UTC
Just a simple request from a Gallente loyalist. Can you give us some kind of update on the hybrid rebalance and the possible gallente rebalance. You guys have given us almost no info in regards to your future plans or even any info on how well you think the changes are working. I see active dev involvement with alot of the other changes but we have had little info at all when it comes to the hybrid rebalance. Come on CCP we have been waiting on this for a long time all we are asking for is a little bit of info on what is going on and some dev involvement with the community. Throw us a bone damn you.
Tithi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-02-07 18:03:06 UTC
Didn't they buff them a few patches ago? Sorry I don't use hybrids so I'm ignorant of their problems. Could you enlighten me? I was of the impression that they pretty much out-damaged everything at close range, and aren't too shabby at long range in the right ship (naga). But like I said I don't use them so i'm probably dumb...
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-02-07 18:05:04 UTC
As a Gal fan I can safely say it worked. All of my blaster boats work well and even rail ships are effective now. The hull changes are also well done.

I cant think of anthing more they could do
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-02-07 18:08:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
As a Gal fan I can safely say it worked. All of my blaster boats work well and even rail ships are effective now. The hull changes are also well done.

I cant think of anthing more they could do

This.

Dammit I've been flying more blaster/railgun ships than autocannon ships lately. They are just so delicously nice now.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#5 - 2012-02-07 18:09:09 UTC
op must have missed the crucible expansion.

Anyway they still need a little more love, but atm they are much more playable than they used to be. The only problem is still ship mass related to mwd acceleration and some blaster range.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-02-07 18:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Crucible patch notes (general hybrid buff): http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3219
Crucible patch notes (Hail nerf): http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3264
Crucible patch notes (Null buff): http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3382

Test server forum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271

-Liang

Ed: Also, I'm half of the opinion that the Null buff actually overboosted hybrids. They're really, really, really, really solid now.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Drunken Bum
#7 - 2012-02-07 18:12:08 UTC
[Incursus, template]
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]

116 dps (as much as your average rifter) from 8kms away. 1040ms without overheating. 163 dps with void, 3km range. 5 sec reload time. Yes. Hybrids are simply terrible.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#8 - 2012-02-07 18:13:44 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
As you may have noticed, I have been afk for the last week or so.
I am back at work now and will try to address the concerns that have been expressed while I was away.

As Soundwave and Affinity have explained for me in my absence, the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion has already passed (and had already passed when I went away).

As it turned out, I only had time to do one extra pass on the changes after they hit SISI. These changes (to the changes) were based on your feedback from this thread. There were many other suggestions here that I would love to do, but didn't have enough time to do them properly for this release. In the future, I will make sure that I have more time to make changes based on your feedback. The feedback that you was posted after the cutoff is far from worthless. I've read every single post and written down notes for future reference.

What we have now is a start. After Crucible come out, I will definitely be doing further balancing.
Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

p.s. I have also updated the OP with the final list of changes.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#9 - 2012-02-07 18:14:53 UTC
so far we have had a null boost from the list... i am eager beaver to find out how tallest is fairing with the other suggestions he has...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-02-07 18:19:14 UTC
Drunken Bum wrote:
[Incursus, template]
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]

116 dps (as much as your average rifter) from 8kms away. 1040ms without overheating. 163 dps with void, 3km range. 5 sec reload time. Yes. Hybrids are simply terrible.


You are terrible for not fitting a DCU to a Gallente ship. But yes, the Incursus is a pretty cool ship now.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Drunken Bum
#11 - 2012-02-07 18:19:29 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
so far we have had a null boost from the list... i am eager beaver to find out how tallest is fairing with the other suggestions he has...

oh god... removal or armor rig penalties would be amazing. Game changing chaos.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
Drunken Bum
#12 - 2012-02-07 18:21:01 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Drunken Bum wrote:
[Incursus, template]
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
[empty rig slot]

116 dps (as much as your average rifter) from 8kms away. 1040ms without overheating. 163 dps with void, 3km range. 5 sec reload time. Yes. Hybrids are simply terrible.


You are terrible for not fitting a DCU to a Gallente ship. But yes, the Incursus is a pretty cool ship now.

I was drunk.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
ACESsiggy
Tactical Withdrawal Team
#13 - 2012-02-07 18:23:16 UTC
From a PVE aspect with running missions I don't think anything was changed tbh.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-02-07 18:24:21 UTC
Drunken Bum wrote:
I was drunk.

Is that what your name is referring to?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-02-07 18:25:15 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
From a PVE aspect with running missions I don't think anything was changed tbh.


Totally agree, 10% damage increase and 5% more tracking is "nothing changing". Making blasters viable at pretty decent range with Null is "nothing changing" ;-)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-02-07 18:30:15 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
ACESsiggy wrote:
From a PVE aspect with running missions I don't think anything was changed tbh.


Totally agree, 10% damage increase and 5% more tracking is "nothing changing". Making blasters viable at pretty decent range with Null is "nothing changing" ;-)

-Liang

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

But hey, I'm happy with my awesome Cormorant now.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2012-02-07 18:48:23 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
As you may have noticed, I have been afk for the last week or so.
I am back at work now and will try to address the concerns that have been expressed while I was away.

As Soundwave and Affinity have explained for me in my absence, the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion has already passed (and had already passed when I went away).

As it turned out, I only had time to do one extra pass on the changes after they hit SISI. These changes (to the changes) were based on your feedback from this thread. There were many other suggestions here that I would love to do, but didn't have enough time to do them properly for this release. In the future, I will make sure that I have more time to make changes based on your feedback. The feedback that you was posted after the cutoff is far from worthless. I've read every single post and written down notes for future reference.

What we have now is a start. After Crucible come out, I will definitely be doing further balancing.
Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

p.s. I have also updated the OP with the final list of changes.


That's some pretty crazy stuff, I do like the idea of a module that can get you op and personal with a target, kinda like an overcharged/boosted afterburner or microwarpdrive (see what I did there).

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Londor Rogers
Public Menace
#18 - 2012-02-07 22:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Londor Rogers
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
As you may have noticed, I have been afk for the last week or so.
I am back at work now and will try to address the concerns that have been expressed while I was away.

As Soundwave and Affinity have explained for me in my absence, the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion has already passed (and had already passed when I went away).

As it turned out, I only had time to do one extra pass on the changes after they hit SISI. These changes (to the changes) were based on your feedback from this thread. There were many other suggestions here that I would love to do, but didn't have enough time to do them properly for this release. In the future, I will make sure that I have more time to make changes based on your feedback. The feedback that you was posted after the cutoff is far from worthless. I've read every single post and written down notes for future reference.

What we have now is a start. After Crucible come out, I will definitely be doing further balancing.
Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

p.s. I have also updated the OP with the final list of changes.



MeBiatch wrote:
[quote=CCP Tallest]As you may have noticed, I have been afk for the last week or so.
I am back at work now and will try to address the concerns that have been expressed while I was away.

As Soundwave and Affinity have explained for me in my absence, the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion has already passed (and had already passed when I went away).

As it turned out, I only had time to do one extra pass on the changes after they hit SISI. These changes (to the changes) were based on your feedback from this thread. There were many other suggestions here that I would love to do, but didn't have enough time to do them properly for this release. In the future, I will make sure that I have more time to make changes based on your feedback. The feedback that you was posted after the cutoff is far from worthless. I've read every single post and written down notes for future reference.

What we have now is a start. After Crucible come out, I will definitely be doing further balancing.
Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

p.s. I have also updated the OP with the final list of changes.



Maybe I was not very clear in my original post. I know what was changed so far I am asking for an update on were we are going from here. If im not mistaken there is like 30 pages of stuff after the above post. Maybe im to impatient but I want to here what CCP is thinking.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-02-07 23:06:05 UTC
No, I'd say you weren't very clear. Then again, I'd personally say that the Hybrid rebalance should be considered complete. Most of the rest of it is actually interesting in its own right and has little to do with Hybrids.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Londor Rogers
Public Menace
#20 - 2012-02-07 23:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Londor Rogers
I don't disagree I just want to here CCPs opinion. I am not really expecting to get a response but it would be nice.


Edit: typing on a tablet is fail.....
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