EVE General Discussion

From the CSM Minutes it seems he is tweaking the classes. He mentioned the Omen and Nighthawk specifically as examples of problem ships. He also drew the point about most players telling other players to train over Cruisers and Frigates to Battlecruisers as their Utility, Ease of Low Skill Fitting, Dmg and Tank are improved at a very small reduction in Speed that is often covered by Nano's. The fact that the Moa is slower then the Hurricane without Nano's and the Cane outrunning Armor Cruiser in general with a better mix of Dmg and Range point to the weakness of the Cruiser Class.

It looks like the next major Balance is Cruiser and Frigate Speed, Fitting, Slots and Utility. I hope they do Armor Vs Shield Tanking Balance as well since most Gal Ships are Shield Tanked instead of Armor Tanked, the Talos and Brutix being the best examples. Honestly my most preferred change would be wiping Rig penalties in general. Allow Armor Ships to benefit from speed Rigs, most fits are tight as it is to get the maximum Dmg, Tank, Speed, Neuts, Cap so Weapon Rigs are often forgone. A higher Speed for Armor Ships is worth the Sig loss of Shield Rigs. Mass Penalties for Plates and Sig Penalties for extenders are enough IMO to differentiate the two tanking types while Shield vs Armor active tank mods already are quite different focusing Shield to Dmg and Armor to Tackle and Utility. At least this is what I am hoping for in terms of Shield Vs Armor Balance.

I am very excited about the Cruiser work since Battlecruisers tend to be at the center of the game as the common Ship. I hope that moves more towards Cruisers which are much more specialized in their roles across T1, Faction and T2. Good T1 Logi and Ewar Cruisers combined with their effective T2 Counterparts with more useful Combat Cruisers and HAC's will provide much more variety without stepping on Battlecruisers toes.

Whaaaat? Very low? If it gets a bigger bandwidth, I am pretty sure it'll end up losing some highslots. I wouldn't consider 620ish dps very low if you go with ions/faction AM/hammerheads to get that number.. and then toss in roughly 380 active tank with TD to drop incoming dps lower vs gun platform.. and a web too boot all on the same fit. Lock down your target and switch to void with 2 heavy/medium 1 light drones and it spits out 740ish dps.. while still maintaining a solid tank. I'd hardly call that very low

I rather not much change to the myrm.. rather it be a cross-breed of whatever gun system you want with drones. Rather not have it turned it into what already exists in the form of.. Domi/Ishtar and to some lesser extent, Gila/Rattler.

I second this. I don't really use guns now as they are kinda useless. For me it's drones all the way. And with 15 mill in drone skills that's some serious drone firepower.

Hmm point taken. The hybrids do work great close up I admit. But speaking for my self as a Dom ship pilot moving is not really much of an option. If their stupid enough to come n range then their space dust true. But normaly I just let the drones do the work

Don't diss my mega. It's a goddamn sex machine, capable of tearing up anything it can get its hands onto!

DISCLAIMER: its basically a t-rex. The buff helped though.

Also, how french do I look to you?!?

That was aimed at me

They joy of seeing other fearless nano megathron pilots brings a tear my eye. Twilight Sparkle has served the CFC well in the past year to earn such a following. The age of woe is behind us and a time of glory is nigh!

Actually, you're very very wrong - what you should've said was "And with 15 mill in drone skills that's a serious amount of mediocre drone power."


Drones are crap - a secondary weapon system at best, without the damage mods and implants that they so badly need in order to become a primary weapons system.

Rail mega in a fleet still sucks

No matter how you fit it.... compared to minmatar/amarr.... it sucks
Eaven rail rohcs are better

and im talking about fleets...
not small gangs/solo

Thanks, some new ideas for me in there, the kiting part is very interesting :)

Yes, 745dps potential is very good, can't argue that, but I just can't reach that kind of numbers, that's why I asked fitting tips.

I find one cap booster is enough with two reppers, it's manageable against even heavy neuts. Post-crucible blaster cap usage is also not much of an issue imo. Same is with AB or MWD, I've flown it with AB, and while it has the obvious advantages, the ship is still so slow that it feels like wasting a slot. Personal preference. MWD certainly increases the chances of catching something.

I don't fly any Gallente armor fits (except Incursus) with an exposed resist hole. Especially on the Myrm it would mean giving up almost 20% of your tank. Explo hardener can also be a double advantage, minmatards will shoot you with explosives anyway even if it's your highest resist, giving up their dps.

TD might work. I've tried a damp, a drone nav comp and sebo int the "extra" mid, but need to try a TD now.

I've had the Myrm on a backburner for a while, but this topic made me want to focus on it again :)