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Shmekla
I Have a Plan
#1841 - 2012-01-31 14:57:32 UTC
tEcHnOkRaT wrote:
its agility and acceleration, what blaster ships need now

Ah, here come at last:)
Completely agree. As mentioned in various post of this topics it's not enough to tune only guns.
we must look in whole concept of hybrid ships.
I will not repeat myself, but agility and acceleration is what needed for hybrid platforms. Small ok, but medium and large requiring complex tuning.
Hamox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1842 - 2012-01-31 23:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamox
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

you surely are one hell of an optimist.
today is the last of january, we'll see if tallest comes up with something.
after that there still is enough time to be pessimistic...


How much time is left till February? ;)

Edit: I guess we will take EVE time zone, right? OK then 27 minutes to go. I'm sooo excited what might come up the next few minutes! :)
tEcHnOkRaT
WipeOut Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1843 - 2012-02-01 04:15:20 UTC
Hamox wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

you surely are one hell of an optimist.
today is the last of january, we'll see if tallest comes up with something.
after that there still is enough time to be pessimistic...


How much time is left till February? ;)

Edit: I guess we will take EVE time zone, right? OK then 27 minutes to go. I'm sooo excited what might come up the next few minutes! :)



there is an infinit number of januarys in the future Cool
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1844 - 2012-02-01 08:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
tEcHnOkRaT wrote:
Hamox wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

you surely are one hell of an optimist.
today is the last of january, we'll see if tallest comes up with something.
after that there still is enough time to be pessimistic...


How much time is left till February? ;)

Edit: I guess we will take EVE time zone, right? OK then 27 minutes to go. I'm sooo excited what might come up the next few minutes! :)



there is an infinit number of januarys in the future Cool


I thought the world is ending on dec 21st. 2012.
You destroyed my view of the world entirely :(
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#1845 - 2012-02-01 12:49:26 UTC
Hamox wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

you surely are one hell of an optimist.
today is the last of january, we'll see if tallest comes up with something.
after that there still is enough time to be pessimistic...


How much time is left till February? ;)

Edit: I guess we will take EVE time zone, right? OK then 27 minutes to go. I'm sooo excited what might come up the next few minutes! :)



since it is officially february (even in eve time), you shall be granted the right to be overly pessimistic ;P
your sarkasm and irony are refreshing. you may keep that, too. no really, its on the house ;)
time to rant, i guess?
but then, after 90 pages one is surely past the point of ranting....
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1846 - 2012-02-01 13:47:50 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
Hamox wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:

you surely are one hell of an optimist.
today is the last of january, we'll see if tallest comes up with something.
after that there still is enough time to be pessimistic...


How much time is left till February? ;)

Edit: I guess we will take EVE time zone, right? OK then 27 minutes to go. I'm sooo excited what might come up the next few minutes! :)



since it is officially february (even in eve time), you shall be granted the right to be overly pessimistic ;P
your sarkasm and irony are refreshing. you may keep that, too. no really, its on the house ;)
time to rant, i guess?
but then, after 90 pages one is surely past the point of ranting....

Waiting for another post of top 20 from eve-kill... then more questions requesting responses from the man with above average.... height.
Hamox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1847 - 2012-02-01 22:43:42 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
since it is officially february (even in eve time), you shall be granted the right to be overly pessimistic ;P
your sarkasm and irony are refreshing. you may keep that, too. no really, its on the house ;)
time to rant, i guess?
but then, after 90 pages one is surely past the point of ranting....


Hmmm, now that I'm allowed to be a pessimist I don't like anymore.
Let's be an optimist and find 3 positive reasons why propably we have no post from Tallest:
1. Maybe Tallest has posted in time but has been ganked by the forum, happens now and then :P
2. Maybe he can travel back in time and will post soon in January 2012!
3. Maybe he plans a big surprise for us and prepares an epic happy end?
tEcHnOkRaT
WipeOut Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1848 - 2012-02-02 05:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: tEcHnOkRaT
Hamox wrote:

2. Maybe he can travel back in time and will post soon in January 2012!



nah time travel works only in movies Big smile

and i hope we are not some part of a huge movie setup here Shocked
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#1849 - 2012-02-02 10:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Pinky Denmark wrote:
Something should be done to rigs for sure... I would suggest changing the velocity penalty to affect lock range, scan resolution, sensor strength or some of the other stats that are important, but not as crucial as ship velocity.
But then this isn't the only issue with rigs tbh

Pinky


Not scan resolution tbh, gallente are already slow at targeting as they are at moving, you can get insta poped by a gang or arty Tornados before you can ever target one of those.

Megathron with 2 sebos scripted scan resolution goes around 250 res, Arty Tornado 750. Do you see the difference?
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#1850 - 2012-02-02 12:29:20 UTC
Hamox wrote:
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
since it is officially february (even in eve time), you shall be granted the right to be overly pessimistic ;P
your sarkasm and irony are refreshing. you may keep that, too. no really, its on the house ;)
time to rant, i guess?
but then, after 90 pages one is surely past the point of ranting....


Hmmm, now that I'm allowed to be a pessimist I don't like anymore.
Let's be an optimist and find 3 positive reasons why propably we have no post from Tallest:
1. Maybe Tallest has posted in time but has been ganked by the forum, happens now and then :P
2. Maybe he can travel back in time and will post soon in January 2012!
3. Maybe he plans a big surprise for us and prepares an epic happy end?


if he could travel back in time, the post should be here already. only he would know he travelled back.
this leaves us with the possibilities:
1. his new hybrid changes anger somehow the mighty, badass a.i. which controls eve gate and only flies winmatar kiting ships,
so his posts get ganked all the time
2. he is currently reinventing the eve combat system and its math.






Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#1851 - 2012-02-02 12:48:38 UTC
You guys are like a teenager getting stood up the night of the prom, trying to rationalize how something must have happened to your date.

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.
tEcHnOkRaT
WipeOut Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1852 - 2012-02-02 15:30:22 UTC
it seems everything is working as intended
and now
hush u go, complete ur training on minmatar and after that u can train amar
the rest is for the numbers
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1853 - 2012-02-02 15:40:09 UTC
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
You guys are like a teenager getting stood up the night of the prom, trying to rationalize how something must have happened to your date.



LMAO!Big smile

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#1854 - 2012-02-02 16:35:16 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Pinky Denmark wrote:
Stuff

Not scan resolution tbh, gallente are already slow at targeting as they are at moving, you can get insta poped by a gang or arty Tornados before you can ever target one of those.
Megathron with 2 sebos scripted scan resolution goes around 250 res, Arty Tornado 750. Do you see the difference?


I'm trying not to be rude but at the same time I'm hungry... If you compare the scan resolution from a BATTLESHIP class SHORT RANGE vessel designed to require dedicated tacklers with a recently introduced MEDIUM sized ship with RETARDEDLY OVERPOWERED and PREBUFFED stats as an argument to something I vaguely suggested you are doing it wrong.

But as said it was only a vague suggestion. It still has to be a drawback and if you are armor tanking you can just fit sensor boosters. How much will the draw back on scan resolution be for 3 x rigs with the above suggestion? 30% before skills? 15% with maxed skills? Does the drawback stack so it's closer to 12,5%? Anyway you'll notice the lack of speed a lot, but I doubt scan resolution will matter a lot for most armor tankers...

Especially if CCP realize how much Minmatar need to have slower acceleration and worse agility.

Pinky
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#1855 - 2012-02-03 14:39:16 UTC
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3407

Interesting stats there from CCP.

Highest production for frigate? Minmatar > Caldari
Highest production for destroyer? Minmatar > Gallente
Highest production for cruiser? Minmatar > Caldari
Highest production for battlecruiser? Caldari > Minmatar
Highest production for battleship? Minmatar > Amarr

If production figures combined with killboard stats of -

Rank Ships Kills
1 Drake 12681
2 Hurricane 7160
3 Oracle 5858
4 Maelstrom 5741
5 Tengu 5374
6 Tornado 5336
7 Sabre 2322
8 Naga 1952
9 Cynabal 1825
10 Abaddon 1824
11 Scimitar 1788
12 Rokh 1652
13 Rifter 1636
14 Hound 1626
15 Thrasher 1578
16 Manticore 1444
17 Sleipnir 1376
18 Rapier 1335
19 Capsule 1308
20 Vagabond 1269

- don't point convincingly to an overpowered Minmatar problem then I really have no idea what people require to comprehend this. If you combine the production ratios with the destroyed ratios from the stat devblog then you'll also notice that not only are Minmatar ships outproducing Gallente, but they're out-surviving them too by a hefty margin, close to 50% better survivability on those stats.

So, tl;dr - Gallente kill less than Minmatar, die more often than Minmatar, and consequently are produced less presumably due to lack of popularity through their many and continuing failings. If the players see this, why doesn't CCP? Or if CCP does see this why hasn't Tallest communicated how he sees this being resolved?
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#1856 - 2012-02-03 15:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahz Niverrah
Nikuno wrote:
Or if CCP does see this why hasn't Tallest communicated how he sees this being resolved?

We may have passed the point of no return, in CCPs eyes. So many players have migrated to Matari that a nerf at this point would generate a whine so loud it would pierce Jesus' eardrums. I don't think a drastic nerf is really needed to bring things in line, though. Restricting projectile damage to kin/exp would go a long way to promoting the use of other weapons systems.

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1857 - 2012-02-03 15:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: thoth rothschild
i think they are done with gallente and now focus on the issues listed in the csm minutes and the fan fest.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#1858 - 2012-02-03 17:20:39 UTC
Right now I'd say give medium blasters a base 1.5km optimal boost and blasters are sorted. The ships are still an issue for time-to-target and I still think that a combination of tweaking ship speed/agility a little more and/or changing the penalty to armour rigs is the way to address this.

I still think rails, large and medium, are languishing - I also believe that the mistake of giving these to caldari and gallente with contrasting bonuses will continue to render them ineffective.
tEcHnOkRaT
WipeOut Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1859 - 2012-02-03 17:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: tEcHnOkRaT
yep they are done with galente
so now everyone train minmatar and amar :)

or wait another 5 years till they try to fix galente again Lol

how very exiting

or u can go to the fanfest and trow some shoes at devs, and scream galenete murders
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1860 - 2012-02-03 17:45:10 UTC
tEcHnOkRaT wrote:
yep they are done with galente
so now everyone train minmatar and amar :)

or wait another 5 years till they try to fix galente again Lol

how very exiting

or u can go to the fanfest and trow some shoes at devs, and scream galenete murders


Well you can try and throw your blaster shoes at the dev, but you will be too fat and slow to get within your weak throwing arm range.