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Dare i ask about Gallente/hybrid balancing?

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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#41 - 2011-09-18 13:13:54 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
And the sexy elf would be Milla, in bold yellow capital letters?


you've now destroyed lord of the rings for me forever

I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY
Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-09-18 13:15:36 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
And the sexy elf would be Milla, in bold yellow capital letters?


you've now destroyed lord of the rings for me forever

I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY


Happy as a clam, in butter, awaiting to delight you.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-09-18 13:15:44 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
And the sexy elf would be Milla, in bold yellow capital letters?


you've now destroyed lord of the rings for me forever

I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY

Alpheias wins!

BRUTALITY

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Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
#44 - 2011-09-18 13:26:21 UTC
You know there's something wrong when you're in a Gallente FW corp and you constantly end up fielding Minmatar and Amarr ships instead of Gallente.

I seriously think that the only use for Gallente ships is running missions, and high sec missions at that because they definitely are as useless as a screen door on a submarine for PvP.
Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-09-18 13:29:02 UTC
Astenion wrote:


I seriously think that the only use for Gallente ships is running missions, and high sec missions at that because they definitely are as useless as a screen door on a submarine for PvP.


The bitterness is reaching corrosive levels.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
#46 - 2011-09-18 13:29:25 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
And the sexy elf would be Milla, in bold yellow capital letters?


you've now destroyed lord of the rings for me forever

I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY

Alpheias wins!

BRUTALITY


he invoked millia man, nobody wins when you do that Sad
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
#47 - 2011-09-18 13:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Well Alpheias, not really. I mean, it is what it is. I still like Gallente ships but unless you jump someone in a 2v1, you're probably going to die. I don't think they need to be buffed THAT much but a little help would be definitely appreciated...maybe more powergrid or resists if not more DPS.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#48 - 2011-09-18 14:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Deviana Sevidon
Issues
- Low optimal and falloff makes it hard for blasters to apply their their theoretically high DPS
- Tracking problems within the weapons optimal ranges
- Powergrid and CPU fitting issues, often both on Gallente ships
- Shield and Armor resists favor often explo or EM damage
- Armor tanking makes Gallente ships slow, especially with plates, further increasing the range issues of blasters
- High capacitor use, create cap problems, especially when ships are required to use MWD to get into range
- Railguns have a poor tracking and only medium damage, which makes them overall ineffective.
- Gallente primary EW was double nerfed into near uselessness
- Information Warfare command bonuses are the least used of all command ship bonuses
- Active armor repair bonus are effectively wasted
- Myrmidon drone bandwith was nerfed to hell, just to remove one of the last viable Gallente PvP ships.


Edit:
Forgot a few

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Large Collidable Object
morons.
#49 - 2011-09-18 15:23:57 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:

- Myrmidon drone bandwith was nerfed to hell, just to remove one of the last viable Gallente PvP ships.



Heh - whoever came up with that 75 mbit bandwidth must be the biggest sadist alive.

I bet every three-legged kitten in Reykjavik ows it's existence to this man.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#50 - 2011-09-18 17:14:39 UTC
Joelleaveek wrote:
I think there needs to be some sort of tracking buff with blasters, since when you fight at ranges that close transversal velocity becomes a problem and extra tracking is needed to compensate.


Yeah, the tracking mechanics in this game cripple med/large blasters because transversal ramps waaaay the **** up at close range and that's really superdumb and counter-intuitive.

90% webs were why blasters were once functional. Vigilant (only 3x the cost of a Diemost!) and Vindicator (a mere 10x the cost of a Mega)* are Gallentean hulls done right.

Small blasters are fine.

* at least Megas have an inherent tracking bonus so there's that I guess v0v

Alpheias wrote:
Because it takes CCP 10 months to change some numbers in the database.


Hey CCP? Open the database entries for the medium and large hybrid turrets, mash numpad with the flat of your palm and presto! Fixed.

Literally any change to hybrids & related hulls would be a bloody improvement.
CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2011-09-18 17:48:58 UTC
Joelleaveek wrote:
So with all this Dev attention in GD today, i though maybe it would be a good time to ask if a Gallente and/or hybrid turret fix is being planned for the near term. I think many Gallente agree that some kind of fix is needed here.


I love me some Hybrids! *insert random GIR noises from Invader Zim here*

Also CCP Soundwave mentioned in an interview at PAX this year that, "After Christmas, there will probably be some changes pushed out to fix this issue." In response to a question about Hybrids.

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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-09-18 18:26:12 UTC
I love the "probably" in that sentence.

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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-09-18 18:28:12 UTC
I personally have no problem fitting a fully t2 fit Megathron with Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs. I even have enough pg/cpu for a Nuet or RR if needed. The Mega is fine and blasters are fine. You can even fit drones, 125m3 of them. So you have a great selection of drones to complement your set up.

Rails suck.

So fix rails, leave blasters alone.

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#54 - 2011-09-18 18:49:38 UTC
Varesk wrote:
I personally have no problem fitting a fully t2 fit Megathron with Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs. I even have enough pg/cpu for a Nuet or RR if needed. The Mega is fine and blasters are fine. You can even fit drones, 125m3 of them. So you have a great selection of drones to complement your set up.

Rails suck.

So fix rails, leave blasters alone.



It is not just the Megathron and Blasters are certainly not fine. In a RR fleet you have probably at least a single plate, probably more and your ship is slow a slow ass l and with a weapon system that can barely hit anyhting above the 20km range, a blaster mega is not a good choice for a RR fleet because of these penalties.

Also the problem with blasters is not just the mega, brutix, die-most, hyperion are also supposed to be blaster ships. Only that the mega is one of the better among a number of poor choices does not say blasters are fine.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Amantus
Drexciyan Sea Unit
SPACE DETROIT
#55 - 2011-09-18 19:06:36 UTC
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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#56 - 2011-09-18 19:14:50 UTC
Amantus wrote:
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-09-18 19:17:25 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
Varesk wrote:
I personally have no problem fitting a fully t2 fit Megathron with Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs. I even have enough pg/cpu for a Nuet or RR if needed. The Mega is fine and blasters are fine. You can even fit drones, 125m3 of them. So you have a great selection of drones to complement your set up.

Rails suck.

So fix rails, leave blasters alone.



It is not just the Megathron and Blasters are certainly not fine. In a RR fleet you have probably at least a single plate, probably more and your ship is slow a slow ass l and with a weapon system that can barely hit anyhting above the 20km range, a blaster mega is not a good choice for a RR fleet because of these penalties.

Also the problem with blasters is not just the mega, brutix, die-most, hyperion are also supposed to be blaster ships. Only that the mega is one of the better among a number of poor choices does not say blasters are fine.


Have to agree with Deviana here. You either have a slow RR fleet or you exclude Gallente.

And lets not forget light and medium blasters. Light blasters have an optimal range somewhere just past the sigmoid colon of the target. 1km - 3km. Medium blasters, while having slightly better optimal have really poor tracking for the range they have to work with. Even with a +5% implant for tracking and uber hybrid skills I can't orbit a target without missing half the time and the other half taking serious hits to dps using mediums. And this is without using AB or MWD. That's just ridiculous that Gallente are required to sit still completely unable to utilize other weapon systems' shortcomings which effectively bolsters your enemy's DPS.

Don't ban me, bro!

Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-09-18 19:18:12 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
Joelleaveek wrote:
So with all this Dev attention in GD today, i though maybe it would be a good time to ask if a Gallente and/or hybrid turret fix is being planned for the near term. I think many Gallente agree that some kind of fix is needed here.


I love me some Hybrids! *insert random GIR noises from Invader Zim here*

Also CCP Soundwave mentioned in an interview at PAX this year that, "After Christmas, there will probably be some changes pushed out to fix this issue." In response to a question about Hybrids.


Thank you for this response Mr. Zymurgist. Nice to know the issue is at least on the radar.
Amantus
Drexciyan Sea Unit
SPACE DETROIT
#59 - 2011-09-18 19:26:43 UTC
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
Amantus wrote:
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-09-18 19:39:09 UTC
Demon Azrakel wrote:
Missiles still let you choose to shoot at your opponent's resistance hole

My heat-seeking love rocket always goes for my opponent's resistance hole.