EVE General Discussion

So with all this Dev attention in GD today, i though maybe it would be a good time to ask if a Gallente and/or hybrid turret fix is being planned for the near term. I think many Gallente agree that some kind of fix is needed here.

Next Summer Expansion :10months: :somehowCCPcannotfixhybridsandsupersatthesametimebecausebothrequiremonthsandmonthsofthoughtthatshouldhavebeenhappeningforthelastthreeyears: :CCP:

Bump.

Would be nice to hear if there are plans in the near future (like after the winter expansion, if not sooner).

Oh you can dare ask... getting an answer is another story altogether!

They still have the best raw DPS, the problem is applying that DPS to the target.

It is not just *DPS*. Blasters are still the best *DPS* (and rails never were in my memory). Lasers do great dps for their optimal and tracking, beams are superior to rails in almost every way. Pulse have a huge engagement range (:scorch:) and only slightly less damage than blasters (7 or 8 km a geddon will outdps a megathron), oh, and they switch ammo and thus range instantly. Missiles still let you choose to shoot at your opponent's resistance hole, always hit, perform great under lag, do great DPS for their range (try getting a brutix to hit for drake damage at 100km...). Caldari pilots complain about how short range their hams and torps are, but those still can hit at 40-60 km depending on fit, don's use capacitor, are fit on ships that shield tank and thus receive all of the benefits of shield tanking (no speed / agility nerf, instant reps / remote reps), and suffer no falloff in damage because of range.

And yeah, minmitar also receive all those bonuses shield ships get, holy **** easy fitting on many ships (1600 mm 10mn ruppy vs 1600mm 10mn thorax is lol, see also dual rep hyperion vs x-large boosted maelstrom, etc...), no cap use, damage projection because of huge falloff on autocannons, holy **** alpha which means it takes several minutes for a slightly higher dps 425mm rail mega to actually consistantly apply more dps than the alpha ship, etc.

Well, throw a tracking computer on there, then.

I'm trained up to T2 large hybrids so you'd expect me to be backing any kind of Gallente 'balancing', but i just don't see how they're as broken as everyone claims.

While tracking computers are useful, many ships are still able to stay out of range of blasters because of the short range and slow speed of Gallente ships. Best to catch the target in a web, however you still have to get close enough to apply the web.

IMHO it's not so much the hybrids, it's more the hulls. The guns themselves aren't that bad, it's more that with a lot of Gallente hulls, even with max skills it's harder than it is with other races to fit best T2 weapons AND a half-decent tank AND tackle, without really slowing the ship down to the point where its unable to apply all that dps except in highly situational circumstances. Perhaps rails just need a bit of a damage boost to bring them more in line with artys, and heavily rail-oriented Caldari hulls could be tweaked a bit too; but the real problem is that Gallente hulls haven't been updated to fit in with the nerfs and buffs that have happened to the other races' ships and weps over the years. They need a bit more PG and CPU now (although how to do that without making them FOTM for other weapon systems is tricky - perhaps they could have more PG and CPU efficiency only for hybrid fitting - like an "affinity" with hybrids or something).

To play devil's advocate, on the other hand, MMOS always seem to have an "IWIN" race and a race that's really hard to get the best out of. Some people thrive on a challenge, while others avoid it.

But Gallente have really fallen too far in recent years. Our famous and beloved drone boats (Vexor, Myrm, Domi, Ishtar) are the only things left that have any respect at all, and that, not much. Our blasterboats, which used to be feared across the galaxy, are now laughing stocks.

What hybrids lack is versatility. Sure, blasters have high dps, but they're stuck with kin/therm. They're dependent on cap. They have poor tracking for their very short range. OTOH, I'm not sure what changes could be made to the weapons themselves without breaking them. (And rails are just weak.)



This. We'll put the shortest range weapons on the slowest hulls because trololololo.