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New Goon vcode requirement - hacked accounts to ensue - will anybody be surprised?

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-01-28 19:56:54 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Karadion wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.

The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.



still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer

Actually it is a valid answer. Solo Drakban is basically the lifeblood of the GoonSwarm Federation. Don't want to do what he says? Get bent.



not a valid answer...luring noobs into your van with promises of sweet candy is punishable under the law

Again it still is. For example we've had traitors that were building titans for the enemies and we caught them beforehand based on the assets that they've had and wondering what they were doing with it. They said they were building titans and we asked for who which in turn their answer was of course "GoonSwarm Federation". Later down the road, they had one in the oven and their customer was not a GSF member but one of the enemy. So naturally we blew up their CSAA and booted them out of the alliance. So in turn, it becomes a great tool to use to weed out spies and traitors.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-01-28 19:57:41 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
You have to admit, this isn't a bad troll, although the incessant repeating of points already proven wrong was a bit overly repetitive. He almost blew it when he started lying about NC policies, claimed to have never been in an alliance that asked for such information, while alluding that he indeed has/is in such an alliance.

Needs a bit of polish. 3/10


good job trying to change subject....

Please daddy tell us what it is you do with all my account information?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-01-28 19:58:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
you havent added anything to the discussion of relevance so nothing to disprove...only answer so far is because i said so...that is not a valid answer
Ok. So just because you say it isn't a valid answer doesn't make it an invalid answer.

See how that works? According to you, your dismissal of the argument is invalid. How about you provide a valid answer instead?

Argue your case instead of spewing nonsense.
Explain why it's not valid.
Prove your case.

So far, everything you've said has been entirely false.

I usually like your posts, but I disagree with this one. Encouraging him to argue his case is useless. It does not matter one iota what he says on the official EVE Online forums. If he were arguing his case to The Mittani or Solo Drakban, then there would exist a hypothetical possibility that the rule could be changed were he sufficiently convincing. He is not doing that. He is talking to Bob about something that Steve did, as though Bob somehow has the ability to do something about it.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-01-28 19:59:07 UTC
Karadion wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Karadion wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.

The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.



still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer

Actually it is a valid answer. Solo Drakban is basically the lifeblood of the GoonSwarm Federation. Don't want to do what he says? Get bent.



not a valid answer...luring noobs into your van with promises of sweet candy is punishable under the law

Again it still is. For example we've had traitors that were building titans for the enemies and we caught them beforehand based on the assets that they've had and wondering what they were doing with it. They said they were building titans and we asked for who which in turn their answer was of course "GoonSwarm Federation". Later down the road, they had one in the oven and their customer was not a GSF member but one of the enemy. So naturally we blew up their CSAA and booted them out of the alliance. So in turn, it becomes a great tool to use to weed out spies and traitors.


If you knew the titan was being built for the enemy you would have know it was being built by the fact the system had the upgrades in place to build it...and you would have known who the buyer was....fail logic
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#105 - 2012-01-28 19:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
scooter Kondur wrote:
You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets?
Because you're living in his basement and he doesn't want to be screwed over by your hydroponic garden…
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and you would have known who the buyer was....fail logic
Yes, that was indeed fail logic — nothing about the buyer would be known just from the ship being built.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-01-28 19:59:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets?
Because you're living in his basement and he doesn't want to be screwed over by your hydroponic garden…



nice try to change subject....goons why do you need to see everyones complete list of assets?
Sarmatiko
#107 - 2012-01-28 19:59:55 UTC
This is what happens when Goons start recruiting random pubbies to alliance corps without API checks.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-01-28 19:59:56 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.

The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.



still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer

It is the only answer that matters, whether you think it valid or not. This is not a democratic debate. This is an authoritarian regime telling you to put up or shut up. If you don't put up, you'll be forcibly shut up. Those are your options.

Deal with it.


You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets?

He wants to see it because if you don't let him then he will kick you out of his house, so do what he says.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#109 - 2012-01-28 19:59:59 UTC
Quote:
You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets
?

BECAUSE HE"S YOUR FATHER!!!! And as long as you live under his roof, you'll do as he says!

I believe this is the time honored, and strangely relevant, response.

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-01-28 20:00:10 UTC
There is no god but Solo Drakban and The Mittani is his messenger.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#111 - 2012-01-28 20:00:43 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.

The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.



still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer

It is the only answer that matters, whether you think it valid or not. This is not a democratic debate. This is an authoritarian regime telling you to put up or shut up. If you don't put up, you'll be forcibly shut up. Those are your options.

Deal with it.


You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets?

Because as the one in charge it is his right to. If you don't like it, you leave.

Note: no I am not a Goon I am just making general assumptions based on other's posts.


Just like in any dictatorship, if you don't like what "daddy" says, you leave... or die.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-01-28 20:00:47 UTC
Daddy please tell us why you need to see where all my assets are.....
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#113 - 2012-01-28 20:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Sarmatiko wrote:
This is what happens when Goons start recruiting random pubbies to alliance corps without API checks.


Not too big of an issue, they'll purge the pubbie when he doesn't hand over the proper key.

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Daddy please tell us why you need to see where all my assets are.....


To make sure you aren't a traitorous dickwad, that has been said many times.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#114 - 2012-01-28 20:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
scooter Kondur wrote:
nice try to change subject.
So why don't you stop doing it and accept the fact that I just answered your question in full.
You made the “daddy says so” simile — you have to live with it.

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goons why do you need to see everyones complete list of assets?
For the reason explained above.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-01-28 20:01:11 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:

If you knew the titan was being built for the enemy you would have know it was being built by the fact the system had the upgrades in place to build it...and you would have known who the buyer was....fail logic

You apparently didn't understand his post, or you don't understand how supercapital sales work, or both.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-01-28 20:01:44 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You want the truth, buddy? I'll lay it on you.

The reason why Goonswarm wants this information is shut up and comply, this alliance has never been a democracy. You either do what Solo Drakban requests of you or you get out because Solo controls the forums and if you do not understand why that is the most important thing then you don't need to be in Goonswarm. I am sure there are reasons with regards to game mechanics or with regards to an evil conspiracy regarding the reptilian shadow government and the Illuminati mind control lasers, but all of that is fluff. You do it because Solo Drakban put out a broadcast, and you do what Solo Drakban says to do or you find yourself a different Alliance.



still not valid answer...because daddy says so is not valid answer

It is the only answer that matters, whether you think it valid or not. This is not a democratic debate. This is an authoritarian regime telling you to put up or shut up. If you don't put up, you'll be forcibly shut up. Those are your options.

Deal with it.


You can not silence truth seekers...kkeep trying....why does daddy want to see my assets?

Because as the one in charge it is his right to. If you don't like it, you leave.

Note: no I am not a Goon I am just making general assumptions based on other's posts.


Just like in any dictatorship, if you don't like what "daddy" says, you leave... or die.


He can demand anything he likes...i want to know why he wants this information and what he does with it...who else uses it and how is it securely held?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-01-28 20:01:47 UTC
You don't 'need' a good enough answer, all you need to know is that it's required and if you don't like it, tough.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-01-28 20:02:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
You don't 'need' a good enough answer, all you need to know is that it's required and if you don't like it, tough.


I assure you ...i need an answer
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-01-28 20:02:30 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
If you knew the titan was being built for the enemy you would have know it was being built by the fact the system had the upgrades in place to build it...and you would have known who the buyer was....fail logic
Uhhh wow you are really daft, are you? We don't care if our members makes titans / supers as long they sell it to our friends and members. Only the sov holder & people with authority to put down upgrades can put in the upgrades only. The corporation I was speaking about had none of them but they can put up their own CSAA in their own towers. Fail logic is on you buddy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2012-01-28 20:02:33 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
i want to know why he wants this information and what he does with it.
What you want is irrelevant — what matters is if you accept it or not.