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[June] Nullsec Asteroid Cluster and Excavator Drone changes

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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#561 - 2017-06-05 15:40:33 UTC
3. Ranting is prohibited.

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ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

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smit jion
Hax Corporation
#562 - 2017-06-05 16:09:21 UTC
Simple thoughts. Why teach skills if you then cut skills.
smit jion
Hax Corporation
#563 - 2017-06-05 16:17:44 UTC
Do not be like WOT. Who make premium tanks and then ponerf them because of players with crooked hands or crooked brains.
Zalgor
Darwins disciples
#564 - 2017-06-05 17:39:16 UTC
Damn, I was looking forward to an in-game Rorquageddon but it's less likely now :/
xXchochiXx
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#565 - 2017-06-05 17:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: xXchochiXx
isd stepping in cus players are speaking out after billions and months of skills only to be wasted and wonders why people hasty or upset sad times

if your fielding 12bil plus do you not deserve a good return?
Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
#566 - 2017-06-05 18:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nasar Vyron
xXchochiXx wrote:
isd stepping in cus players are speaking out after billions and months of skills only to be wasted and wonders why people hasty or upset sad times

if your fielding 12bil plus do you not deserve a good return?


Someone spends 100b+ on a titan and fit, do they not deserve to blap anything that comes near them?

No, the answer is no.


You are owed nothing. And price is not a major factor when deciding balance. Rorquals are boost ships, and the boosts and utility they give to mining fleets are bar none the best. That is what you are purchasing with that sub 3b isk hull. If you want to mine also that is why you pay extra for those excavators (which do need their build cost looked at). But that is why the yield keeps getting hit because these ships are being used as a standalone mining vessel in many areas, effectively pushing out the little guys (who the guys flying the rorqs have somehow convinced themselves that they are still little guys in the grand scheme of things, they are not).
Deus Reliquit
Real Simple Academy
Brave United
#567 - 2017-06-06 01:48:09 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.



Instead of pointing out the obvious, why not give us some real information?

Or some tissues to catch the salty tears perhaps?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#568 - 2017-06-06 02:21:07 UTC
Deus Reliquit wrote:

Instead of pointing out the obvious, why not give us some real information?

Or some tissues to catch the salty tears perhaps?

What information do you want that's not obvious from the economic blogs?
The fact they were introduced with a maths error (the first 'nerf' was simply fixing this maths error back to what CCP had intended the yield to be, so it doesn't count as a real nerf btw) most likely means that a lot more people adopted rorquals than CCP initially anticipated and meant that people got the idea that fleets of rorquals were a good idea. Which didn't/doesn't match CCP's vision for them, which is a capable miner but an amazing booster supporting fleets of exhumers.
Ok, we can go on about we told them so etc, but these changes are quite clear and in keeping with the initial vision presented. It's not how I would do it in all the little details, but it's a way of doing that vision.
Hellfir
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#569 - 2017-06-06 03:46:24 UTC
How about you just do what should have been done at the start.

Create a rorq variant that specialises in mining drones use with no boosting ability tank as is atm with the current capability i.e fit full yield to sacrifice tank or tank to hell with less yield just like you do with any other mining ship.

New rorq has a modified core that makes it immobile and boosts command and control of mining drones to yield at most 2x hulks worth of ore at max skill.

Old rorq gets a change a new core that does not make it immobile (or reduces the core cycle time) but keeps the boosting capability is NOT able to use mining drones at all and acts like all the other boosting ships currently in game just better. Change the slot layout so its tank is less capable then the new rorq variant.

Specifics can be played with but separate the ships abilities, it is clearly obvious you are unable to balance all aspects into one ships so make 2 and specialise them like they should be.
Anna Maria Yolo
Neutron Blaster Solutions
#570 - 2017-06-06 04:54:00 UTC
Elegant way to spread rorquals and nerf multiboxers:

Dont touch anoms mechanics and / or mining drones. Just change the Industrial Core. Disallow activating Industrial Core in a limited distance to another ship with IC activated - Iike anchoring MTU less than 5km from the another one.
Klaus Bergheim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#571 - 2017-06-06 07:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Klaus Bergheim
For each Rorqual within 50 km distance to your own the drone mining yield is reduced by 5%, up to a maximum reduction of 50%. (Or some other numbers)

The more rorqs you bring into a belt, the less each one mines, is the idea.

Edit: I forgot that I'm a goon, so:
:( OH NO MY INCOME CCP EFFED THIS UP :salttears: *cry* *cry* *cry*


Edit2: If your CEO is one of the "next quarter" kind of people, make the cheapest ships at least 1 plex +isk. I got a rattlesnake, that should be at least 50 plex and the usual Isk. You will get so, so rich, for the next month. And well, have thousands of people tell you to gently caress youselves, but that doesn't matter right now so why should it matter then :)
Anarkio Mahyisti
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#572 - 2017-06-06 11:08:33 UTC
How to kill Eva Online?
Get rid of a lot of windows together !!! And how to be a novice?
1 - I now want to dig and who has already dug up everything that then? Wait 6 hours?
If you want to kill AFK earnings and remove a lot of windows, then make a binding to IP so that more than 1 window can not be started!
And then we really look at the price of the plex and how much we play in the game)
We are moving in the right direction soon will be - 10k solar systems and online 5k people Big smileBig smileBig smile
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#573 - 2017-06-06 12:55:07 UTC
Deus Reliquit wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.



Instead of pointing out the obvious, why not give us some real information?

Or some tissues to catch the salty tears perhaps?


Because anything I say will be taking as the Gospel of CCP.

Tissues are 5 isk.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
Harold Crane
Valkyrie Inc.
#574 - 2017-06-06 13:16:18 UTC
Klaus Bergheim wrote:
For each Rorqual within 50 km distance to your own the drone mining yield is reduced by 5%, up to a maximum reduction of 50%. (Or some other numbers)

The more rorqs you bring into a belt, the less each one mines, is the idea.



This actually ist a good idea.and if barges or exhumers are boosted by the rorqual the drones geht 1% better yield or so...
Julie Hawke
Thirtyplus
Goonswarm Federation
#575 - 2017-06-06 13:43:30 UTC
So here we are the 3rd major nerf of the great Rorqual fix

I finally understand....

CCP needed to get the Rorqual out of the POS so they made it so awesome

now 6 months and 3 nerfs later ....its back to being just what it was, but now on grid and totally vulnerable and potentially holding 5-6B in stupid mining drones..... a giant loot pinata.

I sold my Rorqual

And i dont login to EVE

This is a game not a job...... and the way it is now is NOT fun.

So thanks CCP, you took away the game I enjoyed and you cost me alot of friends too. And for that I will never forgive you.

Troll me all you want ...its just a waste of your time.

And Cade Windstar.....dont even bother

Oh and i am NOT a goon so dont go there either
Redwood Tyx
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#576 - 2017-06-06 13:55:08 UTC
Hi,

Ok, so when i finaly can fly a Rorqual only to find it getting nerfed and perhaps not so usable as i been dreamin of so looooooong time.

Since you are making changes to the cap ship of ORE how about making the subcaps, specially the Orca better for mining?
Increase its mining drone yield, bonuses or whatever, as it is now it just sucks!

It seem like were back where there will be "boosters" that just sits there doing nothing, characters that takes years to train up but cant do any actual help other than make boost others (if players still want to do this)?

wierd....

Fly safe
Vladameir
The Black Widow Company.
#577 - 2017-06-06 14:00:17 UTC
Hellfir wrote:
How about you just do what should have been done at the start.

Create a rorq variant that specialises in mining drones use with no boosting ability tank as is atm with the current capability i.e fit full yield to sacrifice tank or tank to hell with less yield just like you do with any other mining ship.

New rorq has a modified core that makes it immobile and boosts command and control of mining drones to yield at most 2x hulks worth of ore at max skill.

Old rorq gets a change a new core that does not make it immobile (or reduces the core cycle time) but keeps the boosting capability is NOT able to use mining drones at all and acts like all the other boosting ships currently in game just better. Change the slot layout so its tank is less capable then the new rorq variant.

Specifics can be played with but separate the ships abilities, it is clearly obvious you are unable to balance all aspects into one ships so make 2 and specialise them like they should be.



I oh so rarely post... But I had to login and quote this. CCP really needs to think about other ways to tackle how capital ships mine and boost/haul/compress

CCP come up with some more ideas rather than just nurfing things. While the idea of the timers is admirable, the amount of the timers is ridiculous and will only hurt the smaller miner people. There will certainly be a psychological hit with this as well.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#578 - 2017-06-06 15:17:55 UTC
Sometimes I still like to go back to the initial threads about the Rorqual changes and laugh at all of the shrill, shrieking children who adamantly insisted that nobody was going to put a Rorqual in a belt.
Lol

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Tyranus Kai
Erlenmeyer Industries
#579 - 2017-06-06 17:44:19 UTC
Vladameir wrote:



I oh so rarely post... But I had to login and quote this. CCP really needs to think about other ways to tackle how capital ships mine and boost/haul/compress

CCP come up with some more ideas rather than just nurfing things. While the idea of the timers is admirable, the amount of the timers is ridiculous and will only hurt the smaller miner people. There will certainly be a psychological hit with this as well.


The best plan would be to remove the excavators, refund the SP's for the mining drone specialisation, and replace them with a capital mining laser. CCP could then mess with cycle time, mined amount and laser range without taking off and nerfing mining from orbit. Heck make it usable only with the core active and use crystals at twice the speed of subcap strip miners, that would at least make you keep an eye on crystal usage.

Although seeing as this change will be live in under 7 days and not one dev reply to this thread, well yeah.....
Vernorius Astartis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#580 - 2017-06-06 18:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vernorius Astartis
guys whatever your posting.....be real and ask yourself the question.....are they gonna listen to all the suggestions your making ?



i can live with the rorqual nerf.....but the respawn timer is killing the game for people that are industrialists and only have a couple of gametime per week.....you come home and think..yeah i have time and can play a lil bit of eve....BUT...damm no stuff to mine.