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Again, I don't often agree with Goonswarm (I'm starting to sound like a broken record), but are you actually saying that it's the responsibility of Goons to find a way to break a developer-induced bias against new bees to get them ISK? You might as well say they should just split their money with the new bros and have done with it. Your argument isn't reasonable. You might as well say that I shouldn't be allowed to use my level V skills to apply more DPS because it's not fair that new bros cannot apply as much DPS as I can.

The difference is that in the latter example it's a function of the game mechanics that is the result of correct progression in-game, whereas in the former it's deliberate changes by the dev team to a functioning economy that have massively disadvantaged newer players.

Currently we are showing a lot of _very predictable feedback_ on what they are doing. Having the perspective of having done this forever, CCP looks at what their players do and less of what they say.

"Innovation" takes time to set in, remember. /sarcasm

The problem here is that CCP is punishing adaptation. Players are using tools that CCP sold them to play around in the sandbox. Now, because some guys are better at using those tools than others, CCP is taking the tools' efficacy away from everybody.

At this rate, it seems that they will not rest until they've balanced the landscape into one flat, monotone plane. The well-off people in large entities can cope with these changes happening at this rate. The people most stunted by this kind of rapid cycling in ships' roles and capabilities are the small entities and the space poor.

If all changes and "balancing" are driven ONLY by the major blocs, then CCP may as well add that as the last step in the NPE - "Now, go join one of the big player factions. You won't accomplish much unless you are under their umbrella. You are here as fodder, know your place."

The only part of this that hurts all players is the excavator nerfs. The spawn time is nothing more than an annoyance to smaller groups two can jump between enormous and colossal or between two systems and be fine. If you think this will have a larger impact on small groups more than say 50 man rorq fleets then you are sadly mistaken. It's definitely a nerf intended to curtail the massive amounts of minerals these fleets of rorqs (it's not just goons) are pumping into the system which is in itself a good thing. Though I would have personally just done the spawn timers and left it at that. I'm not sure I see a problem with excavators at all atm.

I'm still of the mind that they need to take a look at rorq build costs since their yeild is being nerfed yet again, rather the excavators since those are what actually keep getting made more and more vulnerable. Time on ROI just keeps getting longer and longer with each passing nerf and that does hurt the small guy more than larger entities since they are the most likely to lose it.

While I can understand CCP trying to massage Ore outputs to cover there original mistakes made while trying to mess with the markets, This latest 'Manipulation' smacks more of sour grapes on there part than any real move to slow down output.

Why will this heavy handed 'Nerf' not have the effect CCP believes it's entitled too, 'Fozzie Sov' and all that brings with it, the general ham fisted homogenisation of the Eve environment leaving players with little impetus to fight anyone for anything other than ***** and giggles but more importantly CCP's constant attempts to force players to play this game as group exercise, a game that from it's inception was designed as one of solo enterprise and acquisition, by attacking every form of solo player generated content the game had to offer other than griefing miners.

This is why this Nerf will fail, why the blue doughnuts still exist, why it is so difficult for players to migrate out of empire in numbers that would make a difference, Why huge swathes of the Eve environment are currently almost utterly empty in terms of significant numbers and ultimately why your retention figures are so abysmally low.

Stop it.

Will buy, 500m isk.

Seriously where and how much

Just because a feature was launched with certain attributes doesn't mean it will be used exactly as intended. Sometimes players find unexpected usability or undesired amplification of effects that can affect the overall game in detrimental ways.

Emergent game-play isn't always positive or desired.


Sometimes the Devs need to adjust game mechanics when emergent game-play goes outside the expected and or desired.


These "hidden" features or aspects of Eve frequently go by unnoticed or unchanged for years; until one group starts to abuse it on a large scale and noticeably gain some unfair advantage.

Please leave Fozzie alone!

I think its just BS calling out that this hurts the poor players since poor players wouldn't be flying rorquals by the dozen
Poor players would stick it with their procurers or skiffs etc..
Anyone who spent cash for Plex-Skill injectors to fast track into rorquals wheren't poor then
This is more CCP being Robin Hood and stealing from the tax man and giving back some to the less fortunate more or less.

Maybe agree with above poster that the price of mining drones could perhaps be reduced if the stats get hit hard.
Though that kind of chance usually takes time before it effects the market anyways.

Must be good since goons are crying, well done CCP!

Small point of order here. While "all time low" is incorrect mineral prices *are* at a fairly historic low, since the last time they were anywhere near current levels was years ago, and the prices of most other goods haven't dropped along with the mineral prices, making their *value* (as in, worth relative to a basket of other goods in the economy) certainly at an all time low, at least for lower end minerals.

This has nothing to do with and "Robin Hood-ing" whatsoever, especially since the tax man is CCP, so you are misinformed.

It's not CCP that will "lower the cost" of the Excavator Drones, as they are not the ones selling them. The price is determined by the scarcity of the components to manufacture them. That's the drone regions people I would imagine being market savvy.

The only way CCP can lower the cost of drones is by reworking the manufacturing process, so if you are going to be making suggestions, please understand what you are talking about.